When is the Rust rewrite of Juju coming?
Its always surprising to hear that people use this tool
Carefully but Purposefully Oxidising Ubuntu
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Re: Carefully but Purposefully Oxidising Ubuntu
#12Ubuntu (via Debian) already had a system for this in `update-alternatives`, which is almost certainly already installed on this person's system. Would it be possible to toggle coreutils/uutils via that instead of reinventing it? They're both effectively symlinks-managers.
They said elsewhere that they're not doing that yet because it requires coordination with the other package, and they don't want to bother until they're more confident that this doesn't utterly break things.
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#13Ubuntu (via Debian) already had a system for this in `update-alternatives`, which is almost certainly already installed on this person's system. Would it be possible to toggle coreutils/uutils via that instead of reinventing it? They're both effectively symlinks-managers.
> `update-alternatives`
Also has at least one rewrite in rust:
Re: Carefully but Purposefully Oxidising Ubuntu
#14Ubuntu (via Debian) already had a system for this in `update-alternatives`, which is almost certainly already installed on this person's system. Would it be possible to toggle coreutils/uutils via that instead of reinventing it? They're both effectively symlinks-managers.
The alternatives system requires both packages to participate. In this case, a better alternative would be the diversions.
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#15If the goal is safety, rewriting ancient battle-tested software is not the way to do it.
The Lindy Effect for software: the longer software appears to be bug-free, the more likely it is bug-free.
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#16"with an increase in security comes an increase in overall resilience of the system"
This isn't within my realm of expertise.. but I find it a bit hard to believe that GNU Coreutils is a source of a lot of security and resilience issues with Ubuntu.. Is this true?
Does anyone in the know, know if Ubuntu has any answer to the Nix explosion?
I feel my Ubuntu problems are always weird package issue. The system doesn't make it very transparent to the user how to make your own packages, or how to edit and rebuild an existing package
By contrast I've never had `ls`, `cp`, or `mv` freak out on me..
(I don't personally use Nix b/c I love the stability of Ubuntu LTS. Everyone and their mom makes sure their software can run on the latest LTS)
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#18I think more people might adopt this language if there weren't such in-group terminology like "oxidizing", "Rusteceans", pictures of rusty equipment etc. I still wish for a serious book in the style of K&R or Stroustrup with no pictures, no mentioning of the package manager at all (sometimes it is mentioned in the first chapter!) and interesting code examples.
Haha, nah. I think hackers have been naming things like this since the beginning of time and it's absolutely part of the culture.
I don't think everything needs to be corporate Memphis in text form. Let's have some squirrelfish extreme in this.
Corporate mode comes eventually with quality. And Rust has passed the initial hurdle of adoption. It's pretty much what Python was in the year 2000: the exciting new tech that has adoption.
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#19I think more people might adopt this language if there weren't such in-group terminology like "oxidizing", "Rusteceans", pictures of rusty equipment etc. I still wish for a serious book in the style of K&R or Stroustrup with no pictures, no mentioning of the package manager at all (sometimes it is mentioned in the first chapter!) and interesting code examples.
Haha, nah. I think hackers have been naming things like this since the beginning of time and it's absolutely part of the culture. I don't think everything needs to be corporate Memphis in text form. Let's have some squirrelfish extreme in this. Corporate mode comes eventually with quality. And Rust has passed the initial hurdle of adoption. It's pretty much what Python was in the year 2000: the exciting new tech that…
What is “corporate Memphis”?
Re: Carefully but Purposefully Oxidising Ubuntu
#20I think more people might adopt this language if there weren't such in-group terminology like "oxidizing", "Rusteceans", pictures of rusty equipment etc. I still wish for a serious book in the style of K&R or Stroustrup with no pictures, no mentioning of the package manager at all (sometimes it is mentioned in the first chapter!) and interesting code examples.
Why?