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Re: The city that forgot itself

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post #3

Why dont they use the simple english to understand?

English is a very beautiful language. There are many ways to say something similar, but each have slightly different meanings. In this case, the writer decided to use "flowery" language, which is usually to create a detailed picture, smell, and feeling for the reader. The point is not only to convey facts but to convey a sense of place. That is the reason for the complicated language. For example, it says: "A woman i…

> For example, it says: "A woman in her forties sits on a bench, fixing the shrine with her gaze."

This particular example I don't think is poetic rather it is broken.

Re: The city that forgot itself

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Why dont they use the simple english to understand?

It is not an informative article, it's a piece designed to convey emotions and sentiments so readers are more willing to embrace author's view.

There seems to be an agenda there.

If you check wikipedia at least, the muslim-christian population exchange between Greece and Turkey wasn't quite like the article describes it.

The facts may be somewhere in the middle, but certainly not in this article.

Re: The city that forgot itself

#14
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What meaning do you infer from what it says?

I legitimately would have to guess what they meant. The obvious reading to me is that she is magically repairing it by looking at it, though I would know that's not what they meant, which leaves brute force guessing. You can say that someone is 'fixed on' something, which means to look doggedly, but 'fixing something' is totally different, who says that? Subjective of course, but I just think it's a bad sentence.

> who says that?

People who watch US TV shows about the American South. Having lived there for awhile and still travel there for work today, I can say with some certainty that the folksy dialect that media gives to people of that region is either largely embellished or made-up. If we stay on the word "fix," I mostly hear it in context of someone making a meal ("Fixing breakfast," etc). The Appalachian regions are must more creative and cant-like with the language historically, but even that is being lost as the generations are exposed to more modern settings, I think. In my experience, the idioms used usually come down to the individual, which has more to do with how their sense of identity was cultivated, a concept that runs quite deep in the American South, but that is a much longer and more complex thread for another day, I reckon.

Re: The city that forgot itself

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What meaning do you infer from what it says?

I legitimately would have to guess what they meant. The obvious reading to me is that she is magically repairing it by looking at it, though I would know that's not what they meant, which leaves brute force guessing. You can say that someone is 'fixed on' something, which means to look doggedly, but 'fixing something' is totally different, who says that? Subjective of course, but I just think it's a bad sentence.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fix:

to direct one's attention or efforts : FOCUS

also : DECIDE, SETTLE —usually used with on

had fixed on the first Saturday in June

All eyes fixed on her as she entered the room.

Re: The city that forgot itself

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I legitimately would have to guess what they meant. The obvious reading to me is that she is magically repairing it by looking at it, though I would know that's not what they meant, which leaves brute force guessing. You can say that someone is 'fixed on' something, which means to look doggedly, but 'fixing something' is totally different, who says that? Subjective of course, but I just think it's a bad sentence.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fix : to direct one's attention or efforts : FOCUS also : DECIDE, SETTLE —usually used with on had fixed on the first Saturday in June All eyes fixed on her as she entered the room.

Yes, exactly: 'Fixed ON', the eyes are "fixed", it's completely different grammar.

Re: The city that forgot itself

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I legitimately would have to guess what they meant. The obvious reading to me is that she is magically repairing it by looking at it, though I would know that's not what they meant, which leaves brute force guessing. You can say that someone is 'fixed on' something, which means to look doggedly, but 'fixing something' is totally different, who says that? Subjective of course, but I just think it's a bad sentence.

> who says that? People who watch US TV shows about the American South. Having lived there for awhile and still travel there for work today, I can say with some certainty that the folksy dialect that media gives to people of that region is either largely embellished or made-up. If we stay on the word "fix," I mostly hear it in context of someone making a meal ("Fixing breakfast," etc). The Appalachian regions are mus…

"("Fixing breakfast," etc)." Yes, this makes sense, you can fix ('make', off the top of my head, only used in this sense for cooking really) breakfast, but surely the author doesn't mean the woman was materializing/cooking a shrine as a dish with her eyes either.

Re: The city that forgot itself

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post #12
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

English is a very beautiful language. There are many ways to say something similar, but each have slightly different meanings. In this case, the writer decided to use "flowery" language, which is usually to create a detailed picture, smell, and feeling for the reader. The point is not only to convey facts but to convey a sense of place. That is the reason for the complicated language. For example, it says: "A woman i…

> For example, it says: "A woman in her forties sits on a bench, fixing the shrine with her gaze." This particular example I don't think is poetic rather it is broken.

> I don't think is poetic rather it is broken.

No, it is not. You are merely unfamiliar with this sentence construction.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/fix-a-g...

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/thesaurus/fix-one-s-gaze

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/fix+his+with+a+gaze

Re: The city that forgot itself

#20
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What meaning do you infer from what it says?

I legitimately would have to guess what they meant. The obvious reading to me is that she is magically repairing it by looking at it, though I would know that's not what they meant, which leaves brute force guessing. You can say that someone is 'fixed on' something, which means to look doggedly, but 'fixing something' is totally different, who says that? Subjective of course, but I just think it's a bad sentence.

> Subjective of course, but I just think it's a bad sentence.

IDK, you could just look up the idiom that you are unfamiliar with? So that next time you come across it, you are better informed.

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/fix+his+with+a+gaze

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/fix-a-g...

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