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The Tesla protests are getting bigger – and rowdier

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Re: The Tesla protests are getting bigger – and rowdier

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Post by bhouston »

michaelt wrote: post #10
bhouston wrote: post #2

I prefer non violent responses personally. I think boycotts are better than actually burning down places or vandalizing them. If you condone violence that often leads to a further reactionary breakdown in society, a downward spiral, where as boycotts don’t. Boycotts and non violent protests also remove the ability to turn it back on the protests and say they are the one who are unreasonable. But introducing violence…

Yeah, these protests will lead to a reactionary downward spiral, leading to protesters storming the Capitol building trying to hang the Vice President, 4 years in the past :)

You are demonstrating exactly my point. If violence is normalized then it justifies more violence on both sides.

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Post by bhouston »

pavlov wrote: post #9

Yesterday Trump was begging MAGAs to buy Teslas on Truth Social. He called it an “illegal boycott” that Tesla’s sales are collapsing. At this point nobody’s surprised that the president has no idea about how laws work. Myself I got a “Happy Teslaversary!” message on their app that turned out to be a survey. I was happy to give them a bit fat zero on NPS. Fraud company selling expensive features that will never work.

Yeah. Calling it an illegal boycott is going too far. It is not even organized for the most part just a natural partisan reaction to extreme partisan behavior by the very prominent/vocal face of the company. This was 100% predictable and has actually been growing since the Twitter takeover.

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Post by Pigalowda »

The country’s citizens who aren’t part of the two personality cults are becoming violently opposed to the extra legally acting billionaire who is high on ketamine cutting up the 80 year old system that made him extraordinarily wealthy?

Greed brings Americans together. That’s what makes America great. Only a small market correction and no official Q1 data and swing suburbia is starting to notice. Any further erosion of wealth or actual recession and Republicans are fucked.

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Post by silverquiet »

bhouston wrote: post #11
michaelt wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, these protests will lead to a reactionary downward spiral, leading to protesters storming the Capitol building trying to hang the Vice President, 4 years in the past :)

You are demonstrating exactly my point. If violence is normalized then it justifies more violence on both sides.

I've never been able to square the easy access and vast private ownership of firearms in the US with the ideal of non-violence. It's an outlier in the developed world for being a rather violent place; perhaps it is just how the country works.

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Post by eesmith »

bhouston wrote: post #2

I prefer non violent responses personally. I think boycotts are better than actually burning down places or vandalizing them. If you condone violence that often leads to a further reactionary breakdown in society, a downward spiral, where as boycotts don’t. Boycotts and non violent protests also remove the ability to turn it back on the protests and say they are the one who are unreasonable. But introducing violence…

That's only half of what MLK Jr's observed:

> I would be the first to say that I am still committed to militant, powerful, massive, non­-violence as the most potent weapon in grappling with the problem from a direct action point of view. I'm absolutely convinced that a riot merely intensifies the fears of the white community while relieving the guilt. And I feel that we must always work with an effective, powerful weapon and method that brings about tangible results.

> But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met.

> And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity.

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Post by [deleted] »

bhouston wrote: post #2

I prefer non violent responses personally. I think boycotts are better than actually burning down places or vandalizing them. If you condone violence that often leads to a further reactionary breakdown in society, a downward spiral, where as boycotts don’t. Boycotts and non violent protests also remove the ability to turn it back on the protests and say they are the one who are unreasonable. But introducing violence…

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Post by Zigurd »

bhouston wrote: post #2

I prefer non violent responses personally. I think boycotts are better than actually burning down places or vandalizing them. If you condone violence that often leads to a further reactionary breakdown in society, a downward spiral, where as boycotts don’t. Boycotts and non violent protests also remove the ability to turn it back on the protests and say they are the one who are unreasonable. But introducing violence…

Your opponents aren't thinking that way. They will do whatever they can get away with.

I'm not sure what this means, but they seem honestly shocked when other people think that way.

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Post by ttyprintk »

Pigalowda wrote: post #13

The country’s citizens who aren’t part of the two personality cults are becoming violently opposed to the extra legally acting billionaire who is high on ketamine cutting up the 80 year old system that made him extraordinarily wealthy? Greed brings Americans together. That’s what makes America great. Only a small market correction and no official Q1 data and swing suburbia is starting to notice. Any further erosion o…

Under Joe Biden, people who wanted to complain about the economy often mistook their own feelings for “recession”. If you asked them to point to two consecutive quarters of negative growth, they’d look at you like you’re changing the subject. I expect we’re going to see a lot more Sharpies used in econometrics if the same decisions and personalities are still involved in Q3.

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Post by JohnFen »

bhouston wrote: post #12
pavlov wrote: post #9

Yesterday Trump was begging MAGAs to buy Teslas on Truth Social. He called it an “illegal boycott” that Tesla’s sales are collapsing. At this point nobody’s surprised that the president has no idea about how laws work. Myself I got a “Happy Teslaversary!” message on their app that turned out to be a survey. I was happy to give them a bit fat zero on NPS. Fraud company selling expensive features that will never work.

Yeah. Calling it an illegal boycott is going too far. It is not even organized for the most part just a natural partisan reaction to extreme partisan behavior by the very prominent/vocal face of the company. This was 100% predictable and has actually been growing since the Twitter takeover.

Even if it were entirely organized, it still wouldn't be illegal.

Re: The Tesla protests are getting bigger – and rowdier

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Post by walls »

Pigalowda wrote: post #13

The country’s citizens who aren’t part of the two personality cults are becoming violently opposed to the extra legally acting billionaire who is high on ketamine cutting up the 80 year old system that made him extraordinarily wealthy? Greed brings Americans together. That’s what makes America great. Only a small market correction and no official Q1 data and swing suburbia is starting to notice. Any further erosion o…

Which is the second personality cult, out of curiosity? There's nobody in the world that democrats would treat like Trump, for so many reasons.
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