There’s a reason everything I’ve done in the last 5 years uses bootstrap. And doesn’t have to look like bootstrap. Our internal graphic designer loathes bootstrap and didn’t recognize I had used it until I told them.
You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
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Re: You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
#12I never got very good with CSS or HTML styling. I know enough to generally fix obvious stuff, but I'm kind of a luddite and still use Bootstrap for most of my stuff. I've mostly stopped doing web stuff, so the only time I touch CSS is when I'm doing an admin screen or something, so it doesn't have to look great. Still, a part of me wonders how different my life would be if I had taken to frontend programming enough t…
The predecessor to this project was a Bootstrap 3 theme: https://rriepe.github.io/1pxdeep/
The book has a lot of content over what to make pretty and what not to make pretty. I think knowing what not to bother with is an underrated skill. A lot of what inspired me to write it was backenders handing off markup that they tried to make semi-passable. Unstyled HTML, please!
Re: You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
#13I never got very good with CSS or HTML styling. I know enough to generally fix obvious stuff, but I'm kind of a luddite and still use Bootstrap for most of my stuff. I've mostly stopped doing web stuff, so the only time I touch CSS is when I'm doing an admin screen or something, so it doesn't have to look great. Still, a part of me wonders how different my life would be if I had taken to frontend programming enough t…
I did for a while when CSS3 was new.
Big problem with evergreen standards: if you try to come back to a standard that is now twice as big but still has the same version number, there is nobody writing books to teach you what you missed out on. Want to come from CSS2 to 3? They got you. Want to do backend development for five years and then get a summary on what you missed? Go fuck yourself.
Re: You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
#14> The last big driver of time-wasting in CSS is the drive for pixel perfection I agree. Also users/product managers do not care. They will see UI that is a little bit “off” and think negatively about your brand. Congrats, now you have a ticket to make the UI look pixel perfect. I suppose the audience for this isn’t people who actually get paid to write CSS, but instead casual blog writers. It’s definitely ok and norm…
The perfection should be downstream of the project's coded standards, not downstream of the faithful implementation of the designer's work. Some designers are really good about maintaining standards-- but the book would argue all that effort should be spent elsewhere. It's basically "the arbitrary padding the designer liked in the moment" vs. "the standard padding that's everywhere in the project." This book argues y…
> It's basically "the arbitrary padding the designer liked in the moment" vs. "the standard padding that's everywhere in the project." This book argues you should always use the standard padding. Your product should be pixel-perfect, just not in the PSD-to-HTML sense.
Oh yeah - I remember my first job things had to be pixel perfect to what the boss had mocked up in Photoshop. Thankfully at my next job it was just use whatever the project's CSS gives you unless it looks terrible.
I don't do much frontend any more but my current marketing team is happy with anything that looks reasonable.
Re: You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
#15The worst part of CSS is trying to come up with the class names.
.every-stupid-ass__naming-scheme-falls-short{}
Re: You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
#16I recently started a green field project using copilot and tailwind. I’m blown away by how good ai is with css. I’m just glad no one has to try wrestle with css like we did back in the days.
Re: You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
#17I recently started a green field project using copilot and tailwind. I’m blown away by how good ai is with css. I’m just glad no one has to try wrestle with css like we did back in the days.
I wrote a similar comment yesterday, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43316939.
CSS styling used to take me forever, now I basically just tell AI the contours of what I want, and it gives me the vast majority of what I want. It often has some bugs, and I always need to edit/tweak it to get things right, but it probably saves me 90% of the time I used to waste on CSS (I'm primarily a backend dev).
Re: You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
#18I never got very good with CSS or HTML styling. I know enough to generally fix obvious stuff, but I'm kind of a luddite and still use Bootstrap for most of my stuff. I've mostly stopped doing web stuff, so the only time I touch CSS is when I'm doing an admin screen or something, so it doesn't have to look great. Still, a part of me wonders how different my life would be if I had taken to frontend programming enough t…
I did for a while when CSS3 was new. Big problem with evergreen standards: if you try to come back to a standard that is now twice as big but still has the same version number, there is nobody writing books to teach you what you missed out on. Want to come from CSS2 to 3? They got you. Want to do backend development for five years and then get a summary on what you missed? Go fuck yourself.
Yeah, that's the thing.
I'm not saying that this is a "bad" thing, but the last time I did any significant amount of frontend stuff was back in ~2014, and it was AngularJS, which was considered pretty ok at the time I think. I left that job and started doing almost exclusively backend stuff for several years, and when I looked back, the entire world had switched to React and transpiling JSX and a lot more CSS than I was familiar with.
It seemed pretty intimidating to try and pick that up again, so I never really left the backend stuff, and now I've managed to even avoid web stuff for awhile, because I kind of hate web programming.
Re: You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
#19I recently started a green field project using copilot and tailwind. I’m blown away by how good ai is with css. I’m just glad no one has to try wrestle with css like we did back in the days.
It's true. Between atomic CSS libraries and LLMs, there's almost no reason to write CSS nowadays.
Re: You suck at CSS and that's okay (2022)
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