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Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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Re: Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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Here, in Spain, internet access is cut off for many websites during football matches because La Liga, the association football league, is in war against cloudflare for not blocking their allegedly offending websites. Or something like that. Today, I tried to look up a word on a dictionary and I got an error message. “There must be a football game going on right now”. I thought

I have Starlink and it doesn’t seem to be affected in Spain, but I could be wrong. I just haven’t noticed it.

Re: Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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That sounds insane! Do you have a source?

Previously discussed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43157000

Ah the old misunderstood IP address. It's not a street address guys!

Re: Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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Here, in Spain, internet access is cut off for many websites during football matches because La Liga, the association football league, is in war against cloudflare for not blocking their allegedly offending websites. Or something like that. Today, I tried to look up a word on a dictionary and I got an error message. “There must be a football game going on right now”. I thought

I have Starlink and it doesn’t seem to be affected in Spain, but I could be wrong. I just haven’t noticed it.

Why would it? That's a network in space. Could the Spanish league force a US company to block specific satellites covering some part of Spain and some part of not Spain? Seems a stretch.

Re: Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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What are the best ways for citizens to get their own p2p internet going?

DIY mesh networks (I'm speaking of Wi-Fi, not Meshtastic, but even that has its place), isolated pirateboxes, dead drops, and (horror of horrors) going to the pub and talking to people . It's trivial for a government to make the first one illegal and relatively trivial to enforce it, but difficult in increasing magnitude for them to actually control the remainder.

AM radio?

Even FM walkie talkies as a start.

Re: Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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Have WiFi mesh networks ever been proven to work at scale? The few experiments that I've seen seemed to be slow and unreliable. And in order to be of any real value, at least one of those mesh network nodes needs a connection to the real Internet.

Mesh networks like https://guifi.net have been reliably delivering internet longer than you have been a member of HN. There are many mesh networks with Autonomous Systems Numbers, peering at internet exchanges, etc. You don't order 10Gbps ports at various IXPs if your community run network can't deliver that bandwidth usefully.

> You don't order 10Gbps ports at various IXPs if your community run network can't deliver that bandwidth usefully.

Well, to be fair....

   - Membership of most IXPs is not that expensive and the smaller port sizes are not that expensive
   - Many IXPs are moving to 10Gbps as the default port size (e.g. with a membership at LINX in London, you get your first default-size port for free, which is now 10Gbps at LINX).
   - If you are running an eyeball network (i.e. xSP, WISP etc.) then you might as well just buy bare-minimum IP transit and save your money for your peering point memberships, since most of your traffic will be going to the CDNs etc. all of whom have open-peering policies at IXPs, so why pay more than you need to ?
   - Moving to cynical-view territory, its a marketing expense ... become an IXP member, get a nice logo you can put on your website and give your salesdroids something to name-drop ....

Re: Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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Here, in Spain, internet access is cut off for many websites during football matches because La Liga, the association football league, is in war against cloudflare for not blocking their allegedly offending websites. Or something like that. Today, I tried to look up a word on a dictionary and I got an error message. “There must be a football game going on right now”. I thought

Truly a case where VPNs do make sense.

Re: Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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I have Starlink and it doesn’t seem to be affected in Spain, but I could be wrong. I just haven’t noticed it.

Why would it? That's a network in space. Could the Spanish league force a US company to block specific satellites covering some part of Spain and some part of not Spain? Seems a stretch.

Starlink does come back to earth often in the same country or region as the user. Then it would fall under all the same blocking.

Re: Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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Why would it? That's a network in space. Could the Spanish league force a US company to block specific satellites covering some part of Spain and some part of not Spain? Seems a stretch.

Starlink does come back to earth often in the same country or region as the user. Then it would fall under all the same blocking.

I imagine that the blocking is semi-voluntary by the local ISPs, not at a transit or peering level.

Anyhow, I flicked through the tables for Starlink's Spain IP address blocks and they directly peer with Cloudflare, so short of Starlink agreeing to perform similar blocking itself or worse yet de peering with Cloudflare, I'd expect availability through them.

Re: Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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Given how internet exploited and divided people in the west i don't blame them. Ignorance is bliss and i want it back.

What? They don't block Internet because they want their people united. They do it because they are authoritarians who want to control every aspect of people's lives. India doesn't top the list of countries that cut Internet access because it's a haven of national unity, lol. It's probably a country more divided than any Western ones.
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