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US deploys AI to revoke visas of foreign nationals supporting Hamas: Report

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Re: US deploys AI to revoke visas of foreign nationals supporting Hamas: Report

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Post by aqme28 »

liorn wrote: post #7
shihab wrote: post #5

Let me say as an international PhD student- I have marched for the freedom of Palestinian people, talk about it, and I won’t allow this Big Brother tactic influence my decision one bit going forward. The US govt can do whatever it damn pleases.

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You're quite naive if you haven't seen those two positions conflated.

Re: US deploys AI to revoke visas of foreign nationals supporting Hamas: Report

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Post by siva7 »

shihab wrote: post #5

Let me say as an international PhD student- I have marched for the freedom of Palestinian people, talk about it, and I won’t allow this Big Brother tactic influence my decision one bit going forward. The US govt can do whatever it damn pleases.

Sure it can, it's the US.

Re: US deploys AI to revoke visas of foreign nationals supporting Hamas: Report

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Post by croes »

liorn wrote: post #7
shihab wrote: post #5

Let me say as an international PhD student- I have marched for the freedom of Palestinian people, talk about it, and I won’t allow this Big Brother tactic influence my decision one bit going forward. The US govt can do whatever it damn pleases.

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We don't know if and how the AI distinguishs between those two groups.

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Post by hliyan »

liorn wrote: post #7
shihab wrote: post #5

Let me say as an international PhD student- I have marched for the freedom of Palestinian people, talk about it, and I won’t allow this Big Brother tactic influence my decision one bit going forward. The US govt can do whatever it damn pleases.

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This comment (while possibly well-intentioned) seems very disconnected from the ground level realities of how a large number of opinions are conflated (often deliberately) with support for Hamas: ranging from expressing horror at the killing and maiming of children, to expressing concern over arms exports to criticizing statements of specific politicians.

Re: US deploys AI to revoke visas of foreign nationals supporting Hamas: Report

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Post by gatinsama »

siva7 wrote: post #13
shihab wrote: post #5

Let me say as an international PhD student- I have marched for the freedom of Palestinian people, talk about it, and I won’t allow this Big Brother tactic influence my decision one bit going forward. The US govt can do whatever it damn pleases.

Sure it can, it's the US.

I read this neutrally, then in a positive tone, then in a negative one, and I agree with all three statements.

Re: US deploys AI to revoke visas of foreign nationals supporting Hamas: Report

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Post by _2d30 »

generic92034 wrote: post #12
_2d30 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Maybe the point is that the trait "supporting Hamas" will be judged by AI.

The article is pretty scant on details in terms of how the judgment would be made but using AI to process for an initial review followed by a final human review seems like a slam dunk choice imo

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Post by _mitterpach »

liorn wrote: post #7
shihab wrote: post #5

Let me say as an international PhD student- I have marched for the freedom of Palestinian people, talk about it, and I won’t allow this Big Brother tactic influence my decision one bit going forward. The US govt can do whatever it damn pleases.

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Will that nuance be understood by the models? It might be understood by people, of course, but will the models take into account that some people might support Palestine because of the alleged crimes against humanity commited by the attacker, and that some people might support Palestine because they are represented by HAMAS?

What will be the reasoning taken, what are the guidelines for AI to make this choice? If, as a government official, you are using AI for any action, you should be required to publish the model you are using and the specific prompt you are using.

An analysis could then be run on many different seeds for the model and prompt - some will label you as a 100% traitor to democracy, some will label you as a fighter for justice. That is almost certain.

Now what is the extent you are comforable with? Should we ban somebody whose actions are marked as traitorous in 10% of seeds? 20%? 80%? Do you actually believe anybody in the government, making these decisions, sees this nuance?

Re: US deploys AI to revoke visas of foreign nationals supporting Hamas: Report

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Post by cookiemonsieur »

croes wrote: post #10
_2d30 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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They have no problem with US holocaust deniers.

They certainly have no problem sending billions of tax payer money and sign missiles to m*rder children.

I think the point here is to prime the public for this discriminatory use of AI. Today it's "bad hamas", tomorrow it can be whatever the current government deems "bad". And by then, it'll be too late.

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