If this doesnt force putin to a negotiation table I dont know what will.
If it's solely on Russia's terms, why should Ukraine accept a deal? Zelensky knows Putin can't be trusted, the Trump admin pretends it doesn't know that.
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#12The US implementing Russian's foreign policy is something I didn't think possible. Trump clearly idolizes Putin (if not worse), and his supporters don't care.
For now. When trump starts his own Ukraine to get rid off internal opposition , the care will return like a howling drone swarm.
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#13If this doesnt force putin to a negotiation table I dont know what will.
If it's solely on Russia's terms, why should Ukraine accept a deal? Zelensky knows Putin can't be trusted, the Trump admin pretends it doesn't know that.
I finally heard a politician openly tell it how it is today! Current French Senator Claude Malhuret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-lh0TUTtvI :
>Washington became the court of Nero, an incendiary emperor, submissive courtiers and a jester under ketamine in charge of the purification of the public service.
>in one month, Trump has done more harm to America than in four years of his last presidency. We were at war against a dictator, we are now fighting against a dictator supported by a traitor.
https://www.rawstory.com/french-senator-musk-trump/ covers it, https://www.resetera.com/threads/washington-became-the-court... Macron, Starmer, even my own president are all still in denial :| Germany's Merz seems to know whats going on, but is still trying to be veeeery diplomatic about it.
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it's solely on Russia's terms, why should Ukraine accept a deal? Zelensky knows Putin can't be trusted, the Trump admin pretends it doesn't know that.
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Unfortunately, you're likely being generous to Putin if you think the killing will stop just because Ukraine surrenders.
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#15If the Ukraine reacts by being less precise in its attacks they might make more progress demoralizing Russia since Russia has less capability of hiding civilian casualties than military ones. But they should really focus on wooing China. China has never been as friendly with Russia as it appears and Europe might start ranking them over the US and Russia as the least distasteful if they play their hand well right now.…
Historically bombing civilians has always galvanised the public against the enemy more than it 'demoralises' them.
For instance the bombing of England during WW2 didn't break their will to fight. The fire bombing of 95% of Japan's cities didn't diminish their will to fight either.
And let's not forget the vietnam war... didn't seem to be effective for the US...
Bombing civilians rarely achieves any war goals and may actually have the opposite affect.
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#16If the US were working for Russia, what would they do differently other than supply weapons to Russia and/or join on their side? Each day it takes more and more faith to believe the opposite.
They would recognize Crimea and all four partially occupied oblasts as Russian. They would support the annexation of additional oblasts that Russia claims belong to "Novorossia".
Freezing the conflict is NOT what Russia wants right now.
If one is extremely cynical, one could claim that the recent actions are a signal to Moscow to hurry up and finish the business in Donetsk/Zaphorizia so that a stable peace deal can be achieved instead of leaving things open yet again.
I'm not that cynical yet and think that Trump indeed attempts to extort a lend-and-lease deal of the same sort that the U.S. imposed on Britain in WW2.
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#19If the Ukraine reacts by being less precise in its attacks they might make more progress demoralizing Russia since Russia has less capability of hiding civilian casualties than military ones. But they should really focus on wooing China. China has never been as friendly with Russia as it appears and Europe might start ranking them over the US and Russia as the least distasteful if they play their hand well right now.…
Historically bombing civilians has always galvanised the public against the enemy more than it 'demoralises' them. For instance the bombing of England during WW2 didn't break their will to fight. The fire bombing of 95% of Japan's cities didn't diminish their will to fight either. And let's not forget the vietnam war... didn't seem to be effective for the US... Bombing civilians rarely achieves any war goals and may…
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#20If this doesnt force putin to a negotiation table I dont know what will.
This is a funny comment. If this doesn't force Putin to the negotiation table, then you know what will - the US stopping all military aid to Ukraine. One of these things that US has done to Ukraine is bound to convince Putin, right?