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Richard Sutton and Andrew Barto Win 2024 Turing Award

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Re: Richard Sutton and Andrew Barto Win 2024 Turing Award

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Congratulations to Prof Barto & Prof Sutton. I'm sure the late Harry Klopf is all smiles (:

> The ACM A.M. Turing Award, often referred to as the "Nobel Prize in Computing," carries a $1 million prize with financial support provided by Google, Inc.

Good on Google, but there will be questions if their mere sponsorship in any way influences the awards.

If ACM wanted, could it not raise $1m prize money from non-profits/trusts without much hassle?

Re: Richard Sutton and Andrew Barto Win 2024 Turing Award

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed a bitter lesson. I once enjoyed encoding human knowledge into a computer because it gives me understanding of what's going on. Now everything is becoming a big black box that is hard to reason about. /sigh/ Also, Moore's law has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Now more than ever, AI is putting a lot of demand on computational power, to the point which drives chip makers to create specialized hardware for it…

I am still hoping AI progress will get to the point where the AI can eventually create AI's that are built up out of robust and provable logic which can be read and audited. Until that time, I wouldn't trust it for risky stuff. Unfortunately, it's not my choice and within a scarily short timespan, black boxes will make painfully wrong decisions about vital things that will ruin lives.

AI assisted theorem provers will go a bit in that direction. You may not know exactly how they managed to construct a proof, but you can examine that proof in detail and verify its correctness.

Re: Richard Sutton and Andrew Barto Win 2024 Turing Award

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Amazing that Sutton (American) chooses to live in Edmonton, AB rather than USA. Shows he has integrity and is not a careerist focused on prestige and money above all else.

Keen is a fully remote outfit, so he can work wherever. It's pretty likely that his reputation would open that door for him no matter where he goes.

Re: Richard Sutton and Andrew Barto Win 2024 Turing Award

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Nice! Well deserved. They make both editions of their RL textbook available as a free to read PDF. I have been a paid AI practitioner since 1982, and I must admit that RL is one subject I personally struggle mastering, and the Sutton/Barto book, the Cousera series on RL taught by Professors White and White, etc. personally helped me: recommended!

EDIT: the example programs for their book are available in Common Lisp and Python. http://incompleteideas.net/book/the-book-2nd.html

Re: Richard Sutton and Andrew Barto Win 2024 Turing Award

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Good time to re-read The Bitter Lesson: https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~eunsol/courses/data/bitter_lesson...

I remember the article, and remember how badly it missed the point... The goal of writing a chess program that could beat a world champion wasn't to beat the world champion... the goal was to gain understanding into how anyone can play chess well. The victory in that match would've been equivalent to eg. drugging Kasparov prior to the match, or putting a gun to his head and telling him to lose: even cheaper and more effective.

Re: Richard Sutton and Andrew Barto Win 2024 Turing Award

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Good time to re-read The Bitter Lesson: https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~eunsol/courses/data/bitter_lesson...

This describes Go AIs as a brute force strategy with no heuristics, which is false as far as I know. Go AIs don't search the entire sample space, they search based on their training data of previous human games.

Re: Richard Sutton and Andrew Barto Win 2024 Turing Award

#20

Their book "Introduction to Reinforcement Learning" is one of the most accessible texts in the AI/ML field, highly recommend reading it.

I've tried descending down the RL branch, always seem way out of my depth with those formulas and star-this, star-that.
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