Do you have a secret? • Hacker News Board

Re: Do you have a secret?

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Post by tomku » Wed, Aug 01, 2012, 5:21 PM UTC

wahsd wrote: post #8

tomku wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are good reasons to oppose CISPA. You shouldn't appreciate people trying to manipulate you into opposing it. This is something that really annoys me. It's incredibly frustrating to see people argue "on my side", but using reasons that are based almost entirely on FUD and hyperbole. It undermines that entire side of the argument, because people who aren't already on your side assume that if you had valid reasons…

Unfortunately, while the sticklers insist on moral purity and perfect argument, they live in a world that operates on FUD and is grotesquely exploited and has become the modus operandi of our government, corporations, and fear mongering right. It is the reason that science and reason cannot take hold in many human societies, because there is a false equivalency of opposition. Opposing heinous attempts to control are…

That's nice rhetoric, but when you disregard the truth in order to keep up in the arms race of lies that you claim the other side started, you become as reprehensible as them.

Re: Do you have a secret?

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Post by joshuahedlund » Wed, Aug 01, 2012, 5:21 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #3

Huh? What does any of this have to do with CISPA? There are good reasons to oppose CISPA. You shouldn't appreciate people trying to manipulate you into opposing it.

For those of us trying to catch up, what are some good reasons to oppose CISPA?

Re: Do you have a secret?

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Post by debacle » Wed, Aug 01, 2012, 5:25 PM UTC

This is just creating a database of informed CISPA dissenters. Wake up sheeple!

On a more serious note, this could have been presented much better. This gave me the same feeling as that semi-attractive girl in college stepping into your personal space to tell you all about how unjust mandated meal plans are.

Re: Do you have a secret?

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Post by AznHisoka » Wed, Aug 01, 2012, 5:30 PM UTC

debacle wrote: post #13

This is just creating a database of informed CISPA dissenters. Wake up sheeple! On a more serious note, this could have been presented much better. This gave me the same feeling as that semi-attractive girl in college stepping into your personal space to tell you all about how unjust mandated meal plans are.

why does it give you that same feeling?

Re: Do you have a secret?

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Post by alanh » Wed, Aug 01, 2012, 5:31 PM UTC

tomku wrote: post #2

For a slightly more balanced take on it, check out the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Intelligence_Sharing_and... There are definite problems with CISPA in regards to privacy, but a lot of the stuff on that "Do you have a secret?" page is just mindless FUD.

> calls page mindless FUD when in fact there are specific examples cited on page

> doesn’t back up own claims of FUD

Hello?

Re: Do you have a secret?

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Post by debacle » Wed, Aug 01, 2012, 5:39 PM UTC

AznHisoka wrote: post #14

debacle wrote: post #13

This is just creating a database of informed CISPA dissenters. Wake up sheeple! On a more serious note, this could have been presented much better. This gave me the same feeling as that semi-attractive girl in college stepping into your personal space to tell you all about how unjust mandated meal plans are.

why does it give you that same feeling?

It's pandering to the lowest common denominator in an unprofessional and not entirely honest fashion, using shitty vectors (a soundtrack, really?).

Re: Do you have a secret?

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Post by wavesounds » Wed, Aug 01, 2012, 5:45 PM UTC

The "Privacy Policy" button doesn't work ... how ironic.

Re: Do you have a secret?

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Post by rokhayakebe » Wed, Aug 01, 2012, 5:47 PM UTC

Would it not be easier to create tools to ensure your complete anonymity when online?

Re: Do you have a secret?

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Post by sxp » Wed, Aug 01, 2012, 5:48 PM UTC

It's really annoying when all these people complaining about bills like CISPA and other potentially dangerous bills don't actually mention why the bills are bad. Even the Wikipedia article on CISPA was horrible since it didn't directly quote the bill but just quoted others people paraphrasing the bill.

So what in particular is bad about this bill? http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s2105/text

Re: Do you have a secret?

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Post by drucken » Wed, Aug 01, 2012, 5:51 PM UTC

I fail to see the link between the title plus domain of this site and opposing CISPA.

I do not think I could even call it link bait. They may as well have called it, "doyoulovebluewhales.org"...

Also, the soundtrack ruins its factual/informative presentation value and use of scripting for such a light site makes it feel unprofessional and insecure.

Some of the content and flow of information is good though. But overall just too light, lowbrow and unconvincing if I was not a techie but otherwise had half a brain to care about issues like this.