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I found a backdoor into my bed

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Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

#11

The state of the product's security wasn't unexpected. I was, however, shocked by this part: > I was willing to overlook: > The bed costs $2,000 > It won’t function if the internet goes down > Basic features are behind an additional $19/mo subscription > The bed’s only controls are via mobile app Nothing about this bed should depend on off-site servers. Nothing about the product should necessitate a subscription fee.…

Don't blame the market. Blame the engineers who know the risks of such foolishness that lack the courage and conviction to stand up to decision makers.

The market deserves some blame here.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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post #6

The state of the product's security wasn't unexpected. I was, however, shocked by this part: > I was willing to overlook: > The bed costs $2,000 > It won’t function if the internet goes down > Basic features are behind an additional $19/mo subscription > The bed’s only controls are via mobile app Nothing about this bed should depend on off-site servers. Nothing about the product should necessitate a subscription fee.…

I've heard the sleep people get with this is excellent, but no way in hell am I paying a subscription and requiring an internet connection for my bed. The entire concept is just absurd. If it sells, it sells, I guess.

I've also heard people are having excellent sleep in their traditional modern beds. Me included.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't blame the market. Blame the engineers who know the risks of such foolishness that lack the courage and conviction to stand up to decision makers.

The market deserves some blame here.

My partner has difficulty sleep unless it is the perfect environment (black out curtains, noise cancellation, sound bath, temperature), and is more prone to the effects of a single bad nights sleep. For people like her, $20/mo + $2000 fee is a small price to pay for a solution to a very difficult problem.

I would of course, attempt to veto unnecessary IoT devices and subscriptions for usage, but this would be a fight I would likely not win.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't blame the market. Blame the engineers who know the risks of such foolishness that lack the courage and conviction to stand up to decision makers.

The market deserves some blame here.

How easy is it to know what works when the network is down before purchasing? Do you expect everyone to take down their wifi after purchase to test and return if it doesn't work?

Maybe there should be a mandatory information sheet such as listing all functionality that stops working without a network connection.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Um, is that Bezos or the AWS account of the company? Alas, our hope to recover whatever social benefit was in SpaceX and Tesla is with Bezos's companies, although at least the EV space is more diverse. SpaceX cannot be wrested from Musk and TSLA and its board is preferred-stock controlled by Musk.

> TSLA and its board is preferred-stock controlled by Musk.

Any source for this? I can’t find anything that says the Musk has enough voting power in Tesla to not need others’ votes:

https://www.techopedia.com/largest-tesla-shareholders

This is a pretty in depth analysis that shows that Musk needed retail votes for last year’s compensation and re-domiciling votes:

https://clsbluesky.law.columbia.edu/2024/07/01/how-tesla-pum...

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

#19

The state of the product's security wasn't unexpected. I was, however, shocked by this part: > I was willing to overlook: > The bed costs $2,000 > It won’t function if the internet goes down > Basic features are behind an additional $19/mo subscription > The bed’s only controls are via mobile app Nothing about this bed should depend on off-site servers. Nothing about the product should necessitate a subscription fee.…

Software is devil-is-in-the-details to the extreme, and maximally opaque even to programmer-capable consumers, much less general consumers.

And all tech companies are now founded with zero regard for good behavior. I mean, they don't even do minimal amounts of customer service, which is the bare minimum of having regard for your customers.

In general, the IoT industry has suffered and adopters get burned over and over and over so the market is what it deserves in the long run. But that doesn't mean that snooping and monitoring doesn't increase insidiously year after year.

This is a serious problem with future technology. What person would do cybernetics or similar life saving products from companies like this? Perhaps the rigor that Medtronic and similar device companies are subjected to would apply, but I'm not sure those regulations cover information security and privacy.

We are clearly in an age of increasing authoritarianism. China has become far more authoritarian under Xi, right wing fascists are on the rise in Europe, and extreme partisanism just leads to round robin authoritarianism on the path we're on, assuming the next election happens. Russia is trying to expand its reach, and disrupt democratic institutions worldwide.

Undermined privacy and data collection is the tools for total information awareness by authoritarian states, only made far far far far far far far worse by the rise of functional AI.

The future of humanity is bleak. The filter approaches.

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