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Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

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Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

#11
Donating to Mozilla is the same as burning money to keep warm. old orgs lose the people that made them and they become aimless inefficient monsters propped up by nepotism rather than competition.

Mozilla has constantly ignored the market and their users. Time for other orgs to take it up and time for Mozilla to not renew.

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

#12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what does that even mean? "focussing on Firefox" isolates you from the vast majority of people who don't use it, and provides €0 of revenue per year to work on Firefox at all.

On the other hand, advertising doesn't do much to help Mozilla if it removes the main differentiator Firefox has from vastly more popular competitors. Firefox with "privacy respecting advertising" sounds an awful lot like Chrome with compatibility issues.

Yes. There is no such thing as privacy-respecting advertising. If they mess with extensions like Chrome did, they're going to lose their user base. A much higher proportion of us are only using Firefox because it's not connected to AdTech.

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

#13

> While Firefox remains the core of what we do, we also need to take steps to diversify: investing in privacy-respecting advertising to grow new revenue in the near term; developing trustworthy, open source AI to ensure technical and product relevance in the mid term; and creating online fundraising campaigns that will draw a bigger circle of supporters over the long run Not focusing on Firefox is what brought it to…

Mozilla really is in a bad spot if advertising, AI, and fundraising are the only innovative ideas their leadership could come up with. I will begrudgingly still use Firefox as my daily driver, but the mismanagement being shown is really appalling and I worry about the future of a free and open Internet.

Suffice to say that we all deserve better.

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

#14
I wish Mozilla would get into revenue generating, web-maximalist products like an office suite alternative to Google Workspace and Microsoft. I think there are a fair number of people who want a significant brand behind these, but also an alternative to the mega-corp offerings.

ie, instead of Thunderbird (which I know isn't developed by Mozilla anymore), create a hosted email platform with a PWA that can run and store data locally.

These types of products would have a virtuous relationship with Firefox.

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

#15

> While Firefox remains the core of what we do, we also need to take steps to diversify: investing in privacy-respecting advertising to grow new revenue in the near term; developing trustworthy, open source AI to ensure technical and product relevance in the mid term; and creating online fundraising campaigns that will draw a bigger circle of supporters over the long run Not focusing on Firefox is what brought it to…

what does that even mean? "focussing on Firefox" isolates you from the vast majority of people who don't use it, and provides €0 of revenue per year to work on Firefox at all.

~80% of their revenue comes from Google paying them for search deals on Firefox.

Focusing on anything other than Firefox (but ads and AI? really?) not only cheapens the brand, but also devalues and risks their Google deal.

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

#16
post #7

I'm guessing the "evolution" of their leadership isn't going to involve their CEO taking a cut to her seven million dollars salary?

Of course not, why should the CEO be forced to use last year's model of yacht? Frankly I don't know how anyone lives with less than ten million these days.

If the CEO made $0, what would the impact on Mozilla’s balance sheet be? Hint: not significant

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

#17
post #5

The absolute last thing I want from Mozilla is advertising. Blocking ads with uBlock Origin is the entire reason I use Firefox today. I don’t know how you can be this out of touch with your users.

many posts on Usenet from 35 years ago speak in lengthy detail about "how the Internet will be ruined by ads" and then lots of chatter about who would do that, and why..

source: one of the authors of those emails

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course not, why should the CEO be forced to use last year's model of yacht? Frankly I don't know how anyone lives with less than ten million these days.

If the CEO made $0, what would the impact on Mozilla’s balance sheet be? Hint: not significant

Probably not very significant, though it's always frustrating when you read about mass layoffs at these corporations, only to see that the executives are all still getting raises and bonuses.

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

#20

> While Firefox remains the core of what we do, we also need to take steps to diversify: investing in privacy-respecting advertising to grow new revenue in the near term; developing trustworthy, open source AI to ensure technical and product relevance in the mid term; and creating online fundraising campaigns that will draw a bigger circle of supporters over the long run Not focusing on Firefox is what brought it to…

what does that even mean? "focussing on Firefox" isolates you from the vast majority of people who don't use it, and provides €0 of revenue per year to work on Firefox at all.

I'm not sure what "isolating" means in "isolating you from the vast majority of people who don't use it".

I'm assuming you're saying that, since FF has a low browser share today, Mozilla focusing their effort to improve it would be wasteful, because that would be putting more resources behind a product that isn't popular.

If so, I wonder how that's different from any other company that wants to grow their market share. They probably face many of the same choices, e.g.: keep your core users satisfied, or try to bring in a new market. It's pretty intuitive to me that putting ads in Firefox would alienate their current core users, but how would putting ads in FF bring in new users? Wouldn't the result just be fewer people using Firefox?

If what they care about is the mission, then that seems like a bad idea. If what they care about is revenue, then I wonder how the non-profit Mozilla Foundation, which oversees the Mozilla Corporation, squares that tradeoff with the mission they exist to serve.

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