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Re: A bold but simple login system

#11
Please, somebody figure out how to get us over the hump to the bright future day when we all have asymmetric keys embedded in hardware and we can leave passwords behind.

Re: A bold but simple login system

#12
post #7

Thinking of it for enterprise users it could really work. Enterprise users seem to be on Outlook all the time checking their e-mails so this would work if you can't tie your passwords into AD/Exchange. Maybe have an option to have a token that can be entered or a link clicked. I get all my e-mails on my phone so if I received a code that I can enter in my phone that can work. I could also click a link in Outlook and…

How about a page showing all the currently logged in sessions. Then you can log out ones that shouldn't have access.

Re: A bold but simple login system

#13
I had to read this article twice to make sure I was understanding it right. I honestly see zero benefit in this approach. It does not speed up the login process at all. The only thing it accomplishes is not requiring the user to remember a password. Additionally, it puts way too much power in the hands of random email servers. What if my email system at the office goes down for a few hours. Am I locked out of all websites too?

I do agree with his point that memorizing passwords can get cumbersome, especially with different sets of rules for different logins. However, the majority of people store their passwords in their everyday browser or just stay logged in indefinitely.

The real solution to "doing away with passwords" lies in recognition technology on devices. What if my keyboard could recognize my identity and pass that along to authorized sites as login credentials? What if my iPhone could do the same? I'll defer the argument of privacy in visiting sites where you don't want your identity revealed for another time.

Re: A bold but simple login system

#14
post #7

Thinking of it for enterprise users it could really work. Enterprise users seem to be on Outlook all the time checking their e-mails so this would work if you can't tie your passwords into AD/Exchange. Maybe have an option to have a token that can be entered or a link clicked. I get all my e-mails on my phone so if I received a code that I can enter in my phone that can work. I could also click a link in Outlook and…

Now if someone has my phone which is receiving my e-mails

At work we have a policy that smart phones are locked by a PIN. No PIN, no email.

This is not ideal: no mechanism to enforce 'good' PINs, force a user to change them on a regular basis.

Re: A bold but simple login system

#15
The logic behind this system isn't terrible. But as others have pointed out, it still relies solely on a third party. And while it's true that exposing the entire user list would not give an attacker much in the way gaining access, it's still a leak of trackable information. I think a more secure solution would be to model an authentication standard after public/private key encryption. If all browsers would endorse it, the interface would be remarkably simple.

Present the end-user with a certificate management dialog when they open a browser for the first time. That would allow them to either browse for an existing certificate or create a new one. After one is created they're given a copy which could be used in any other browser at a later time. From that point on, each time a Web server requires authentication it could be handled behind the scenes. No log on page, no passwords, no user names; only aliases and a push button start. Signing up would become a one click affair, as well. Press the button, and the browser sends the public key to the Web server. A site gets hacked? Big deal, there are no vulnerable hashes -- only public keys. You would never be required to remember anything more than backing up your certificate. Worried about recovery? Do what you would do with SSH. Pop the cert on a thumb drive and hide it. Hell, even create a feature in that management dialog to do it for you.

This of course would require a large standards body and the involvement of every major browser company. But in the end, it would be easier.

Re: A bold but simple login system

#16
and you still need a password to access your email account. let's assume you are at a friends place and want to login somewhere...you have to grab your phone to get your secure webmail password, login on gmail/etc. click the link. a real timesaver...

Re: A bold but simple login system

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This is how Staticloud[1] works. You put in your email address and receive a log in link. You never have to register; registration and login are the same process. [1] http://staticloud.com/

Yep this is the way to go the same in here:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4291856

Re: A bold but simple login system

#20
post #11

Please, somebody figure out how to get us over the hump to the bright future day when we all have asymmetric keys embedded in hardware and we can leave passwords behind.

Please, somebody figure out that when you embed asymmetric keys in things, when people lose those things they'll get really angry

or

Please, somebody figure out that when you embed asymmetric keys in people's bodies, we'll end up with a lot of geeks with their hands hacked off with machetes.

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