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The danger of relying on OpenAI's Deep Research

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Re: The danger of relying on OpenAI's Deep Research

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The world is going to become stupider because it’s easier. This will be most dramatic for the youth in both school learning as well as in the field. Unfortunately I don’t realistically see another path in any reasonable time unless the world takes a radical turn away from AI (extremely unlikely).

The models that exist right now would still be considered alpha LLMs. Even a half decent video game takes longer to make than the time since GPT3.5 launched.

If they still are at this level in 2-3 years, then yeah, it will likely cause a bunch of bad downstream effects. But at least recognize that it is still a few years too early to judge.

Re: The danger of relying on OpenAI's Deep Research

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Old people say this about young people all the time.

Old people have never entered a world of GenAI before.

Old people have a terrible track record. Their base rate is nil. It would take quite a bit of evidence for me to update my prior.

Re: The danger of relying on OpenAI's Deep Research

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The world is going to become stupider because it’s easier. This will be most dramatic for the youth in both school learning as well as in the field. Unfortunately I don’t realistically see another path in any reasonable time unless the world takes a radical turn away from AI (extremely unlikely).

The models that exist right now would still be considered alpha LLMs. Even a half decent video game takes longer to make than the time since GPT3.5 launched. If they still are at this level in 2-3 years, then yeah, it will likely cause a bunch of bad downstream effects. But at least recognize that it is still a few years too early to judge.

Students are already using it for their homework, now.

Re: The danger of relying on OpenAI's Deep Research

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The world is going to become stupider because it’s easier. This will be most dramatic for the youth in both school learning as well as in the field. Unfortunately I don’t realistically see another path in any reasonable time unless the world takes a radical turn away from AI (extremely unlikely).

They probably said the same thing when the printing press came out. “How can you really know the book if you didn’t copy it down yourself during a reading?” But the printing press won out in the end.

The printing press takes your ideas that you already wrote and increases distribution. Deep research is writing the text for you. That’s completely different.

Re: The danger of relying on OpenAI's Deep Research

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post #3

The world is going to become stupider because it’s easier. This will be most dramatic for the youth in both school learning as well as in the field. Unfortunately I don’t realistically see another path in any reasonable time unless the world takes a radical turn away from AI (extremely unlikely).

On the other hand, a motivated person can now pursue their interest in a subject of their choosing, at their pace, as much as they want. LLMs are great tutors if you use them in this manner.

Re: The danger of relying on OpenAI's Deep Research

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They probably said the same thing when the printing press came out. “How can you really know the book if you didn’t copy it down yourself during a reading?” But the printing press won out in the end.

The printing press takes your ideas that you already wrote and increases distribution. Deep research is writing the text for you. That’s completely different.

I disagree, it’s just another step in the automation of knowledge distribution that’s been going on for a long long time. Every step someone has lamented that we lost something, maybe starting with speech itself, and the invention of writing taking away from oral tradition, scrolls, books, the printing press, the World Wide Web, etc…

I was just wowing to myself the other day that a local 70b 4q 40GB model on my Mac basically replaces Wikipedia for me and can be used offline in an airplane. A whole library can be replaced with a cube of knowledge that is just a wrapper around an LLM.

Of course there is going to be resistance to any move up, there has never not been resistance.

Re: The danger of relying on OpenAI's Deep Research

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We could fix it all with a single law: All federally funded research papers must be published with full open access. The issue is the models can mostly only access abstracts (same as the majority of humans!) and thus we are back to the dark ages where knowledge is hoarded by the aristocrats in their ivory towers of academia.

>We could fix it all with a single law: All federally funded research papers must be published with full open access.

Two things wrong with this sentence:

1. All federal funding for research is in jeopardy. https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/trumps-nih-budg...

2. The executive branch now considers itself superior to the legislative and judicial branches, so actions of the legislative branch (i.e., laws) might as well be moot. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/vance-and-musk-attack-...

Re: The danger of relying on OpenAI's Deep Research

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In your opinion, what's the key difference that makes AI lead to world becoming stupider compared to other technologies that lead to more widespread knowledge, such as writing, book printing, calculators, computers and Internet?

Because all your writing is being done for you. All your homework is done for you. You go to start coding as an engineer, you just copy/paste from an AI until it runs. No need to think, no need to try to figure it out for yourself, no need to learn anything.

Great, go get yourself 4 phds and a 600k/year job if ai can do everything for you! Meanwhile the rest of us in the real world will continue understanding the limits of the tools we use.

Re: The danger of relying on OpenAI's Deep Research

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The models that exist right now would still be considered alpha LLMs. Even a half decent video game takes longer to make than the time since GPT3.5 launched. If they still are at this level in 2-3 years, then yeah, it will likely cause a bunch of bad downstream effects. But at least recognize that it is still a few years too early to judge.

Students are already using it for their homework, now.

Good.
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