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JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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In jetbrains paradigm you should install IDEA and install python plugin, go plugin, etc. You only have to do it once That should get you within 90%+ use cases

I think there was no C++ (ahem native) debugger in IDEA... but I'll check again, could be wrong really...

Sadly not, as Clion is not available as a plugin like almost all other IDEs: https://www.jetbrains.com/products/compare/?product=idea&pro...

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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I've been long user of JetBrains' products - and love them. I even use ReSharper in Visual Studio (which I still consider better IDE, but for Linux / Mac - JetBrains is my choice, and heck, sometimes even Rider/CLion/RustRover/GoLand on Windows too - especcially GoLand). But... but... I've always wanted (and willing to pay) a single IDE with any plugin that works in it - not just so many different versions... I'm a m…

It is possible to install the Python and Go plugins into IntelliJ. That's the setup used wildly in my current place of work. It wouldn't surprise me if that was the case with Rust, C++, and possibly even C# too. I'm sure there is some loss of UX and related features in this setup but there are always trade-offs.

No both C++ and C# need to be bought as separate IDEs:

Only Clion includes C++: https://www.jetbrains.com/products/compare/?product=idea&pro...

Only Rider includes C#: https://www.jetbrains.com/products/compare/?product=idea&pro...

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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This is definitely surprising given they announced a KMP standalone IDE only a few months ago. For now, Flutter still seems to make more sense than KMP while the KMP world is still maturing.

Dart is an amazing and underrated language too. It compiles to native assembly, has pattern matching, async/await, and null safety. The only thing it's missing in my opinion is some form of checked errors, currently they only have unchecked exceptions.

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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This is definitely surprising given they announced a KMP standalone IDE only a few months ago. For now, Flutter still seems to make more sense than KMP while the KMP world is still maturing.

Dart is an amazing and underrated language too. It compiles to native assembly, has pattern matching, async/await, and null safety. The only thing it's missing in my opinion is some form of checked errors, currently they only have unchecked exceptions.

> The only thing it's missing

I think biggest thing it is missing is any kind of Google commitment on its long term usage.

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is possible to install the Python and Go plugins into IntelliJ. That's the setup used wildly in my current place of work. It wouldn't surprise me if that was the case with Rust, C++, and possibly even C# too. I'm sure there is some loss of UX and related features in this setup but there are always trade-offs.

No both C++ and C# need to be bought as separate IDEs: Only Clion includes C++: https://www.jetbrains.com/products/compare/?product=idea&pro... Only Rider includes C#: https://www.jetbrains.com/products/compare/?product=idea&pro...

Thanks. I don't use either but good to correct my guess.

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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I still don't understand where Jetbrains is going with Fleet. Is it a platform to prototype ideas for their IDEs? Is their long-term goal to replace their IDEs with Fleet? Is it just a standalone product?

So far, it seems like they're very slowly recreating their IDEs from scratch in Fleet while continuing development on the IntelliJ Platform and related IDEs, doing twice as much work for nothing.

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Personal opinion is that JetBrains products have gone down hill the last few years. Tons of memory leaks and performance issues. They are also way behind on the AI front, borderline obsolete in some areas. This is coming from someone who has used jetbrains daily for over a decade

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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post #11
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there was no C++ (ahem native) debugger in IDEA... but I'll check again, could be wrong really...

Sadly not, as Clion is not available as a plugin like almost all other IDEs: https://www.jetbrains.com/products/compare/?product=idea&pro...

Thanks!!! I also saw your other post about C# - maybe one day JetBrains would change their mind!

I'm trying latest IDEA (2025.1 EAP) and for the first time a bazel project that I have got parsed successfully (had to enable some old legacy flag though), so there is hope!

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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I still don't understand where Jetbrains is going with Fleet. Is it a platform to prototype ideas for their IDEs? Is their long-term goal to replace their IDEs with Fleet? Is it just a standalone product? So far, it seems like they're very slowly recreating their IDEs from scratch in Fleet while continuing development on the IntelliJ Platform and related IDEs, doing twice as much work for nothing.

I believe they are heavily reusing the non-UI part of Intellij and the like, so it's not really 2x the development.

Re: JetBrains Fleet drops support for Kotlin Multiplatform

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Personal opinion is that JetBrains products have gone down hill the last few years. Tons of memory leaks and performance issues. They are also way behind on the AI front, borderline obsolete in some areas. This is coming from someone who has used jetbrains daily for over a decade

What would you suggested instead of JetBrains tools for AI-assisted development?

(I don't just want to hear what everyone says; I specifically I want to hear what JetBrains lovers think about this.)

I was about to go all in on JetBrains becaue I can't stand VSCode, and about to transition from ChatGPT only to trying out in-IDE integrations... but if there's a better thing to try first... all ears.

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