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Hedge Funds Are Pocketing Much of Their Clients' Gains with 'No Limit' Fees

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Re: Hedge Funds Are Pocketing Much of Their Clients' Gains with 'No Limit' Fees

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post #6

Surely there isn't a shortage of competition? Does everyone just want in on the big names?

Old people who don't watch their assets, very rich people who don't watch their assets. Maybe we should build a protection mechanism for it - maybe call it the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau?

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1. Crazy graph format lol 2. I thought management fees were supposed to pay for comp? 3. Buying SPY wins again? 4. I don't really care about rich people getting ripped off, but I wonder if any of my money leaks into these funds

Does this graph format have a name? Google isn’t turning up anything for me.

Resembles an unhelpfully simple

https://www.amcharts.com/voronoi-treemap/

Re: Hedge Funds Are Pocketing Much of Their Clients' Gains with 'No Limit' Fees

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1. Crazy graph format lol 2. I thought management fees were supposed to pay for comp? 3. Buying SPY wins again? 4. I don't really care about rich people getting ripped off, but I wonder if any of my money leaks into these funds

I think you need to consider time horizons when analyzing these funds. You can buy SPY and it will win. Unless there is a market crash when you hit retirement age, in which case you are screwed until the market recovers. If you don't mind the risk, go 2x levered and you will do even better. [0]

Many institutions and HNW and UHNW individuals prioritize consistency over absolute growth. They would rather make 6-8% a year and reduce downside risk than optimize for gains. Multi-strat funds like this one are catering to people who want that product.

[0] - https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&d...

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1. Crazy graph format lol 2. I thought management fees were supposed to pay for comp? 3. Buying SPY wins again? 4. I don't really care about rich people getting ripped off, but I wonder if any of my money leaks into these funds

I've seen plenty of attempts at cramming down multidimensional data into less dimensions, but this is the first time I've ever seen the opposite!

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#16
post #6

Surely there isn't a shortage of competition? Does everyone just want in on the big names?

Old people who don't watch their assets, very rich people who don't watch their assets. Maybe we should build a protection mechanism for it - maybe call it the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau?

Most investors who invest in these funds are institutions and the ones who are (extremely rich) individuals are very unlikely to not be paying attention.

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As someone who has worked in the industry: hedge funds are certainly parasites on our society, who make money not from wealthy clients (as is widely thought) but by managing government money through the social security system, union pension funds, college endowments, and sovereign wealth funds. They are a tool to redistribute billions of dollars of ordinary people's money into the pockets of an 'in-group' that then uses the money to buy political influence. I've watched this happen with my own eyes.

Re: Hedge Funds Are Pocketing Much of Their Clients' Gains with 'No Limit' Fees

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post #17

As someone who has worked in the industry: hedge funds are certainly parasites on our society, who make money not from wealthy clients (as is widely thought) but by managing government money through the social security system, union pension funds, college endowments, and sovereign wealth funds. They are a tool to redistribute billions of dollars of ordinary people's money into the pockets of an 'in-group' that then u…

Any advice to reform things? As individuals or as a collective?

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#19

Surely there isn't a shortage of competition? Does everyone just want in on the big names?

The top hedge funds that can realistically promise [0] excellent returns are basically all capacity constrained AFAICT

Either that or they've switched business model to mostly making money on the management fee. It's easier to grow the assets than the returns.

[0] If you can get money into one of the top multi-managers, in peacetime you are basically looking at somewhere between a nice and very good return every year. Where peacetime could well include a big bear market in stocks e.g. Millennium made 35% in 2022 despite a big draw down in the SP500.

This of course isn't magic, illiquidity, big spikes in (say) funding costs, or just foolishness can still kill them.

Re: Hedge Funds Are Pocketing Much of Their Clients' Gains with 'No Limit' Fees

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does this graph format have a name? Google isn’t turning up anything for me.

Resembles an unhelpfully simple https://www.amcharts.com/voronoi-treemap/

Yeah, I was about to post that it looked like some hybrid of a voronoi diagram and a treemap. More about those diagram types that can be combined in this manner:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronoi_diagram

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treemapping

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