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Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by 0xEF »

black_puppydog wrote: post #7
EnnEmmEss wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I remember correctly, Harvard has immunity to eminent domain under the Massachusetts constitution. Maybe it has a similar right which would make it immune to such attacks?

That may be so, but given what Trump and Musk have been up to, the situation of the courts, and how they blatantly don't give a f*k about what's constitutional or not, I wouldn't rely on this so-called "immunity".

I really hope I am wrong, but I'm planning on seeing some headlines about Musk shutting down Harvard next week over this.

For anyone who still thinks the existing laws, constitutions and policies mean anything to this current regime, prepare to get some whiplash. They are proving that none of that matters if they simply ignore it and do what they want to do anyway.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by maaaaattttt »

squigz wrote: post #9
lou1306 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I beg you, please stop applying rule-of-law mindset against might-makes-right adversaries. It creates blind spots giving the illusion that the attack surface is way smaller than it actually is. Muskolites are taking on the SSN system without any Congressional oversight as we speak. The President is attacking ius soli which is a Constitutional right. If they decide that sending their sleuths to Cambridge MA to physica…

How do you recommend engaging with the situation then? Throw out the book too?

Not OP but torrent would be my go to for a short term solution.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by tuukkah »

squigz wrote: post #9
lou1306 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I beg you, please stop applying rule-of-law mindset against might-makes-right adversaries. It creates blind spots giving the illusion that the attack surface is way smaller than it actually is. Muskolites are taking on the SSN system without any Congressional oversight as we speak. The President is attacking ius soli which is a Constitutional right. If they decide that sending their sleuths to Cambridge MA to physica…

How do you recommend engaging with the situation then? Throw out the book too?

Take these new attack vectors into account in your threat analyses. In this specific case, perhaps start by shipping copies to non-US jurisdictions.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

#14

Post by lou1306 »

squigz wrote: post #9
lou1306 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I beg you, please stop applying rule-of-law mindset against might-makes-right adversaries. It creates blind spots giving the illusion that the attack surface is way smaller than it actually is. Muskolites are taking on the SSN system without any Congressional oversight as we speak. The President is attacking ius soli which is a Constitutional right. If they decide that sending their sleuths to Cambridge MA to physica…

How do you recommend engaging with the situation then? Throw out the book too?

On the technological side torrents, IPFS, and the like, urging international collaborators to make copies of everything public. On the political side mass protests, strikes, whistleblowing, general unrest that goes beyond mere social media activism.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

#15

Post by anonzzzies »

maaaaattttt wrote: post #12
squigz wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you recommend engaging with the situation then? Throw out the book too?

Not OP but torrent would be my go to for a short term solution.

Torrent would do it but 16TB is still not that cheap to just have running in your house nas (otherwise I would).

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

#16

Post by shakna »

0xEF wrote: post #11
black_puppydog wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That may be so, but given what Trump and Musk have been up to, the situation of the courts, and how they blatantly don't give a f*k about what's constitutional or not, I wouldn't rely on this so-called "immunity".

I really hope I am wrong, but I'm planning on seeing some headlines about Musk shutting down Harvard next week over this. For anyone who still thinks the existing laws, constitutions and policies mean anything to this current regime, prepare to get some whiplash. They are proving that none of that matters if they simply ignore it and do what they want to do anyway.

It wouldn't be the first time that Musk has called for Harvard to be defunded. [0]

[0] https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-calling-for-harvar...

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

#17

Post by matwood »

tuukkah wrote: post #13
squigz wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you recommend engaging with the situation then? Throw out the book too?

Take these new attack vectors into account in your threat analyses. In this specific case, perhaps start by shipping copies to non-US jurisdictions.

> Take these new attack vectors into account in your threat analyses.

Exactly. And while it might not be possible to protect against all the new vectors day one, no one should be surprised.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by lisp2240 »

black_puppydog wrote: post #5

Great to see there's some resistance. What I'm missing from this announcement though is any mention of how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government. I'm assuming good intentions on the part of Harvard, but keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. And from what I can see, the archive is hosted by US entities on US-controlled servers…

Fourth paragraph

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by zombot »

black_puppydog wrote: post #5

Great to see there's some resistance. What I'm missing from this announcement though is any mention of how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government. I'm assuming good intentions on the part of Harvard, but keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. And from what I can see, the archive is hosted by US entities on US-controlled servers…

> ...how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government.

Yup, I was about to ask whether Trump could still force them to delete what he doesn't like. Time will tell, I guess.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by LadyCailin »

zombot wrote: post #19
black_puppydog wrote: post #5

Great to see there's some resistance. What I'm missing from this announcement though is any mention of how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government. I'm assuming good intentions on the part of Harvard, but keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. And from what I can see, the archive is hosted by US entities on US-controlled servers…

> ...how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government. Yup, I was about to ask whether Trump could still force them to delete what he doesn't like. Time will tell, I guess.

In general, no. By withholding federal funds, and with owning congress and scotus, yes.
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