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Re: The US Treasury Claimed Doge Technologist Didn't Have 'Write Access' When He Did

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Post by akimbostrawman »

bananapub wrote: post #4

it seems underappreciated just how much permanent cultural destruction has been caused by this shift by Republicans to just lying about almost everything almost all the time. sure, politicians have lied about stuff in the past, and massaged the truth and spun, but Trump & Co just get up every day and tell you the sky is made of bananas and water is naturally fluorescent pink. it would be bad enough untangling that, b…

Posts like this make me wonder how far the overton window has to shift until someone notices they have left the continent. Maybe take a step back and look around to notice that the destruction you describe after less than a month has been happening to the other side for almost two decades. But the other side is evil and wrong so why even bother.

Re: The US Treasury Claimed Doge Technologist Didn't Have 'Write Access' When He Did

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Post by belter »

belter wrote: post #10

100% lying with questions given to journalist : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-02-06/bessent-p... You can always count on Bloomberg to do the dirty work...

https://youtu.be/a5bWFIVyLyo

https://youtu.be/w-BdI2WQPLY

Re: The US Treasury Claimed Doge Technologist Didn't Have 'Write Access' When He Did

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Post by garyrob »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #11
bananapub wrote: post #4

it seems underappreciated just how much permanent cultural destruction has been caused by this shift by Republicans to just lying about almost everything almost all the time. sure, politicians have lied about stuff in the past, and massaged the truth and spun, but Trump & Co just get up every day and tell you the sky is made of bananas and water is naturally fluorescent pink. it would be bad enough untangling that, b…

Posts like this make me wonder how far the overton window has to shift until someone notices they have left the continent. Maybe take a step back and look around to notice that the destruction you describe after less than a month has been happening to the other side for almost two decades. But the other side is evil and wrong so why even bother.

I understand that people on the right believe that to be true.

But, in fact, things like anthropogenic climate change that the right refused to acknowledge, and believed that the media was lying to them about, are true.

It matters what is actually true. The fact that the two sides may have felt the same isn't relevant. The truth is that it wasn't the same.

Another factor: Republicans think it's authoritarianism when the mainstream media doesn't tell them the things they prefer to believe. But here's another clue for them: It's only authoritarianism when the government uses its monopoly on power to force the media to say what they say. It's not authoritarianism when the media says something because they think it's true, or even when they say it because they are trying to please an audience that mostly thinks it's true.

Re: The US Treasury Claimed Doge Technologist Didn't Have 'Write Access' When He Did

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Post by akimbostrawman »

garyrob wrote: post #13
akimbostrawman wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Posts like this make me wonder how far the overton window has to shift until someone notices they have left the continent. Maybe take a step back and look around to notice that the destruction you describe after less than a month has been happening to the other side for almost two decades. But the other side is evil and wrong so why even bother.

I understand that people on the right believe that to be true. But, in fact, things like anthropogenic climate change that the right refused to acknowledge, and believed that the media was lying to them about, are true. It matters what is actually true. The fact that the two sides may have felt the same isn't relevant. The truth is that it wasn't the same. Another factor: Republicans think it's authoritarianism when…

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Re: The US Treasury Claimed Doge Technologist Didn't Have 'Write Access' When He Did

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Post by garyrob »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #14
garyrob wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand that people on the right believe that to be true. But, in fact, things like anthropogenic climate change that the right refused to acknowledge, and believed that the media was lying to them about, are true. It matters what is actually true. The fact that the two sides may have felt the same isn't relevant. The truth is that it wasn't the same. Another factor: Republicans think it's authoritarianism when…

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Sorry, but I reflect a LOT. I'm well aware of the media's limitations the limitations of scientists and that, for example, the CDC is wrong at times. But the situation being discussed is not comparable. I understand however, that for someone on the right who believes Trump's constant lies, a way must be found for understanding how those on the left can disagree.

Re: The US Treasury Claimed Doge Technologist Didn't Have 'Write Access' When He Did

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Post by bananapub »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #11
bananapub wrote: post #4

it seems underappreciated just how much permanent cultural destruction has been caused by this shift by Republicans to just lying about almost everything almost all the time. sure, politicians have lied about stuff in the past, and massaged the truth and spun, but Trump & Co just get up every day and tell you the sky is made of bananas and water is naturally fluorescent pink. it would be bad enough untangling that, b…

Posts like this make me wonder how far the overton window has to shift until someone notices they have left the continent. Maybe take a step back and look around to notice that the destruction you describe after less than a month has been happening to the other side for almost two decades. But the other side is evil and wrong so why even bother.

I can't really fathom how disconnected from reality you have become if you honestly believe this. I do hope you drift back to consensus reality at some point.

be well.

Re: The US Treasury Claimed Doge Technologist Didn't Have 'Write Access' When He Did

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Post by greenavocado »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #8
wordofx wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can replace republicans with democrats and it’s just as valid if not more.

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> The thing that paints a clear picture to me is, the Republican party are always on the assault. They have endless bad things to say, blame to cast. They are out for destruction.

Are you suggesting this effect is somehow not applicable to other political movements?

Re: The US Treasury Claimed Doge Technologist Didn't Have 'Write Access' When He Did

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Post by tosbalok3 »

bananapub wrote: post #4

it seems underappreciated just how much permanent cultural destruction has been caused by this shift by Republicans to just lying about almost everything almost all the time. sure, politicians have lied about stuff in the past, and massaged the truth and spun, but Trump & Co just get up every day and tell you the sky is made of bananas and water is naturally fluorescent pink. it would be bad enough untangling that, b…

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Re: The US Treasury Claimed Doge Technologist Didn't Have 'Write Access' When He Did

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Post by tosbalok3 »

garyrob wrote: post #13
akimbostrawman wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Posts like this make me wonder how far the overton window has to shift until someone notices they have left the continent. Maybe take a step back and look around to notice that the destruction you describe after less than a month has been happening to the other side for almost two decades. But the other side is evil and wrong so why even bother.

I understand that people on the right believe that to be true. But, in fact, things like anthropogenic climate change that the right refused to acknowledge, and believed that the media was lying to them about, are true. It matters what is actually true. The fact that the two sides may have felt the same isn't relevant. The truth is that it wasn't the same. Another factor: Republicans think it's authoritarianism when…

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Re: The US Treasury Claimed Doge Technologist Didn't Have 'Write Access' When He Did

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Post by garyrob »

tosbalok3 wrote: post #19
garyrob wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand that people on the right believe that to be true. But, in fact, things like anthropogenic climate change that the right refused to acknowledge, and believed that the media was lying to them about, are true. It matters what is actually true. The fact that the two sides may have felt the same isn't relevant. The truth is that it wasn't the same. Another factor: Republicans think it's authoritarianism when…

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> For example, James Hansen predicted the west side highway in NY would be underwater by 2008. I don't want Hansen stripped of any credentials or anything like that. But it's reasonable for me to ask that he make a public statement acknowledging his error.

There is a bell curve distribution of views on any subject. You can always find the most extreme case if you want to. It sounds like James Hansen is one of the most extreme cases on one side. You can also find extreme cases on the other side who were proven wrong.

I notice that you aren't interested in them making statements acknowledging their errors. I wonder why.

> publish all data and source code for all climatology papers.

These are scientists doing their research. They come to their conclusions. If all their data, source code, etc. were made open, people who don't want to acknowledge climate change will cherrypick and find a few inevitable errors and claim they disprove the consensus of scientists, akin to the way you picked James Hanson above. If you want to believe the scientists are involved in some kind of collusion, you will, whether or not they open all those aspects their research. Very simply, it isn't worth the trouble and that's why it's not being done.

> Some code once leaked from the Climate Research Unit and it included hardcoded values and a comment that their person was to "hide the decline."

Yes, there are dishonest scientists on all sides of any question that has a large number of scientists involved, just as is true in any field. Finding one of them should not be new information. You should predict it, and when it happens, say "Yep, just as I predicted!".

What you definitely shouldn't do is cherrypick it and pretend it proves anything, or pay any attention to anyone who does so.

It doesn't invalidate the position that that scientist's dishonest research appeared to be supporting, which is also supported by the overwhelming majority of honest scientists.

> Both of these points are imminently reasonable and if you make any excuses or push back in the slightest, then I am absolutely justified to retain my skepticism.

Go right ahead! I will not reply further in this subthread.

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