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US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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If the rationale is to avoid sending data back to Chinese servers, then shouldn't there be a carveout for downloading a model you run locally?

There's nothing rational about any of this. Just political crusading and posturing. Probably to appease trump and musk. Who were probably heavily affected when the stock market shocked last week.

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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If the rationale is to avoid sending data back to Chinese servers, then shouldn't there be a carveout for downloading a model you run locally?

From a normal legislator in normal times, yes... but this is 2025, and the author happens to be an evil idiot.

(I already spent the first Trump term trying to discern "malice or incompetence", it's a red-herring, the investment is unreasonable, I'm declaring it "both.")

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If the rationale is to avoid sending data back to Chinese servers, then shouldn't there be a carveout for downloading a model you run locally?

This would assume that Hawley knows the difference, or that the court will care after the carelessly written legislation passes. (It's unlikely to ever get close to passing, but as the changes to R&D expenditure rules and the TikTok ban demonstrate, having the legislation make sense and be something everyone agrees upon isn't a requirement for making it the law of the land.

> The bill, which also prohibits the “transfer of research,” could create an unworkable environment for computer scientists who make their research public, and regularly read AI papers published by Chinese researchers.

> “Beyond just impacting people downloading models from China, the bill's penalties for the import to or export from China of AI technology and intellectual property could also potentially extend to anyone who publishes AI models or research papers on the open internet knowing they will be downloaded by people in China,” Bankston said. “Researchers are also threatened by the second half of the bill, which would directly outlaw American collaboration with researchers at basically any Chinese university or company—with a fine of up to 100 million dollars for any company that violates the prohibition, amongst other penalties.”

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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> The Republican Senator from Missouri Josh Hawley has introduced a new bill that would make it illegal to import or export artificial intelligence products to and from China, meaning someone who knowingly downloads a Chinese developed AI model like the now immensely popular DeepSeek could face up to 20 years in jail, a million dollar fine, or both, should such a law pass. You get less jail time for committing 34 fel…

up to 20 years. Realistically some kid downloading a model would get probation, and you'd only get 20 years if you were making an entire enterprise out of it.

relevant: https://web.archive.org/web/20130208124604/https://www.popeh...

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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> The Republican Senator from Missouri Josh Hawley has introduced a new bill that would make it illegal to import or export artificial intelligence products to and from China, meaning someone who knowingly downloads a Chinese developed AI model like the now immensely popular DeepSeek could face up to 20 years in jail, a million dollar fine, or both, should such a law pass. You get less jail time for committing 34 fel…

up to 20 years. Realistically some kid downloading a model would get probation, and you'd only get 20 years if you were making an entire enterprise out of it. relevant: https://web.archive.org/web/20130208124604/https://www.popeh...

You and I know this isn't how this works.

The moment the government wants to punish someone over this they will grab some random kid that's barely done anything and threaten them with the full 20 years to serve as an example to others.

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