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Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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I don’t know how this will shake out, but I do worry that these 19-24 year olds, some of whom are known to HN for other achievements, are putting themselves in real legal jeopardy. Edit: by the way, this post isn’t off-topic. It is about the activities of the US Digital Service (now known as Doge), and the exploits of young hackers who came up through top tech companies. It has implications for information systems se…

Why are you concerned? They're adults and know this is blatantly illegal and are serving their lord anyway. They don't even have the pleasure of deniability since the government officials literally stepped in, physically blocked them, and told them they weren't allowed.

Personally, I hope they get what's coming to them.

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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Musk could not get US Security Clearance

He cannot enter certain facilities or meetings at SpaceX because of that.

Yet now he is bypassing that requirement.

None of these people are elected or confirmed by the Senate and they are doing extremely sensitive things to the government

That's not how any of this is supposed to work by law.

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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If they're engaged in doing illegal stuff, at the federal level, I fully expect Trump to just pardon everyone involved. Maybe they're too deep in the Yarvin / Thield / Musk (Kool-Aid) sauce, but they should know better. This stuff will follow them for life.

> to just pardon

More likely Trump continue to fire prosecutors that try to do their jobs upholding the literal law. No prosecution, no pardon needed.

The check on that is for Congress to impeach and remove a corrupt President from office, but that will be difficult with how many Republicans are complicit.

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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I don’t know how this will shake out, but I do worry that these 19-24 year olds, some of whom are known to HN for other achievements, are putting themselves in real legal jeopardy. Edit: by the way, this post isn’t off-topic. It is about the activities of the US Digital Service (now known as Doge), and the exploits of young hackers who came up through top tech companies. It has implications for information systems se…

Yeah, probably. Why does their jeopardy concern you more than the apparent lack of legitimate authority to do what they are doing?

It doesn’t really. Obviously the alleged security breach is egregious and if they’re committing crimes they should be prosecuted. But given that they’re relatively young, part of me wonders if these guys are being exploited by Musk and Thiel and will be scapegoated if the political winds start blowing another way. But that makes no difference to their criminal liability.

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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https://doge.gov does not say anything about what the DOGE plan is, and https://www.usds.gov/ is not apparently up to date wrt DOGE. Is there something other than the Executive Order [0] that lays out concretely what DOGE intends to do? This group of engineers is doubtless skilled, but I don't seem them as the decision makers and planners here.

[0] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/esta...

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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If they're engaged in doing illegal stuff, at the federal level, I fully expect Trump to just pardon everyone involved. Maybe they're too deep in the Yarvin / Thield / Musk (Kool-Aid) sauce, but they should know better. This stuff will follow them for life.

> to just pardon More likely Trump continue to fire prosecutors that try to do their jobs upholding the literal law. No prosecution, no pardon needed. The check on that is for Congress to impeach and remove a corrupt President from office, but that will be difficult with how many Republicans are complicit.

Based on what we've seen this past week it seems the next administration would have an obligation to fire them all, in much the way Trump is firing anyone who looked into or investigated him. And extrapolating to the next few months I'd say the next administration will likely have an obligation to attempt to send anyone associated with DOGE to prison for the rest of their lives. At least this appears to be the type of government Donald Trump and his voters believe America should have.

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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https://doge.gov does not say anything about what the DOGE plan is, and https://www.usds.gov/ is not apparently up to date wrt DOGE. Is there something other than the Executive Order [0] that lays out concretely what DOGE intends to do? This group of engineers is doubtless skilled, but I don't seem them as the decision makers and planners here. [0] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/esta...

We went through something similar in the 1960s with the Whiz Kids, young college graduates from the RAND corporation with no experience in government or the military. 'But you have to obey us because we're so much smarter than you.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiz_Kids_(Department_of_Defen...
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