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Authoritarian Coups Are Gradual Then Sudden

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Re: Authoritarian Coups Are Gradual Then Sudden

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Post by vincnetas »

qwertox wrote: post #6

We currently have this problem in Germany. The right-wing party AfD is claiming to be constitutional and democratic, yet they have constantly shown through small actions that they are 1. extremists, 2. unconstitutional and 3. not democratic. The most clear example happened last year, when they tried to take power of the parliament of the state Thuringia. They attempted to remove voting rights to parliament members du…

there is banned slogan from hitler germany "Alles für Deutschland" (all for germany, similar to america first)

So they came with a bit adjustes slogan "Alice für Deutschland" (Alice Weidel Afd candidate)

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Post by CarRamrod »

talldayo wrote: post #10
CarRamrod wrote: post #8

>Infiltrating police departments and the enlisted ranks of the military >Taking over school boards and local boards of elections Just to play devil's advocate, is it possible that the far right has been under the impression that the far left has been doing the same thing?

If they do believe that, I'd have to wonder why. Having people that don't look like you or disagree with you on school boards and in military service doesn't mean you've been "infiltrated" by an adversary. Liberals certainly don't act that way towards conservative service members or even private schools.

What constitutes infiltration?

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Post by unsnap_biceps »

ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #12

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> Says the democrat who did nothing when Gavin Newsom made it illegal to check for ID at California polls. All these other countries check ID for voting, you democrats don't want it, why is that? https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/california-gover... Here you go, I know

I'm a little confused as to your point here.

The article you link says that to register to vote, you have to prove your identity and validity to vote via a driver’s license number, a California identification number, or the last four digits of their social security number.

To vote, you need to verify your voter registration information.

What exactly does requiring you to verify your registration in addition to the information previously validated to register? Is the belief that illegal voters are able to fraudulently register but wouldn't use the same fraudulent information the day of the vote?

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Post by ChrisNorstrom »

unsnap_biceps wrote: post #16
ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #12

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> Says the democrat who did nothing when Gavin Newsom made it illegal to check for ID at California polls. All these other countries check ID for voting, you democrats don't want it, why is that? https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/california-gover ... Here you go, I know I'm a little confused as to your point here. The article you link says that to register to vote, you have to prove your identity and validi…

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Post by ChrisNorstrom »

qwertox wrote: post #6

We currently have this problem in Germany. The right-wing party AfD is claiming to be constitutional and democratic, yet they have constantly shown through small actions that they are 1. extremists, 2. unconstitutional and 3. not democratic. The most clear example happened last year, when they tried to take power of the parliament of the state Thuringia. They attempted to remove voting rights to parliament members du…

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Post by unsnap_biceps »

ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #17
unsnap_biceps wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Says the democrat who did nothing when Gavin Newsom made it illegal to check for ID at California polls. All these other countries check ID for voting, you democrats don't want it, why is that? https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/california-gover ... Here you go, I know I'm a little confused as to your point here. The article you link says that to register to vote, you have to prove your identity and validi…

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Phantom voters would require an ID to be created before they can register to vote, so an ID check wouldn't help.

With thousands registered at one address. From your article, the proposed law didn't limit valid voters based upon their id address. So I don't see how it would help.

Dead voters are removed from the registration database and wouldn't be counted, unless they passed away out of country.

Moved out of state would be a possibility, but the person that moved would have to have not received a new id or license in their new state, which may happen but seems largely unlikely.

Do you have any data showing how large these potential issues are?

Checking id correctly at time of vote slows down the process and causes less people to vote. If there's a meaningful amount of fraud, it should be investigated and fixed, but we should strive towards allowing as many of our fellow citizens to vote as we can. I'm just unsure that there's a level of fraud from your examples that would balance out the reduction in people voting. But if you have data to back it up, I'm happy to read it and possibly change my opinion.

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ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #18
qwertox wrote: post #6

We currently have this problem in Germany. The right-wing party AfD is claiming to be constitutional and democratic, yet they have constantly shown through small actions that they are 1. extremists, 2. unconstitutional and 3. not democratic. The most clear example happened last year, when they tried to take power of the parliament of the state Thuringia. They attempted to remove voting rights to parliament members du…

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