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Nvidia RTX 5080 is on average 8.3% faster than RTX 4080 SUPER – first review

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Re: Nvidia RTX 5080 is on average 8.3% faster than RTX 4080 SUPER – first review

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I got a 3090 in the depths of the 2021 GPU shortage and for my purposes (mainly JRPGs) I can still run basically every new game at 4k max settings. I don't really see much need to upgrade.

Wonder if the AI rush will result in a situation where the state of the art is so far beyond what's needed for gaming that gpus won't be a bottleneck anymore.

Re: Nvidia RTX 5080 is on average 8.3% faster than RTX 4080 SUPER – first review

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Not really, given that it doesn't increase the amount of RAM compared to the old 4080 Super. If you want to do 'modern' AI on a (relative) budget you should be looking at a 4090 or 5090. This seems to be the card targeted most squarely at gamers.

I heard nvidia is gimping consumer-grade cards to not be good at LLM training, is this true? If so are they gimped only for training or also for running LLMs? I guess the limited amount of RAM is also a way to limit the cards.

Many Nvidia "gaming" SKUs are already at the point where memory is often the biggest likely limitation on their gaming use case, and they'll be noticeably better products for the consumer with a small cost increase by adding more memory.

So I'd say there's good evidence that something outside cost and value to the gaming use case is why they don't have higher memory SKUs, and eating into "professional" priced AI SKUs is an obvious possibility.

I doubt anyone outside Nvidia itself knows "for sure", but it's a pretty big indication.

Re: Nvidia RTX 5080 is on average 8.3% faster than RTX 4080 SUPER – first review

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I got a 3090 in the depths of the 2021 GPU shortage and for my purposes (mainly JRPGs) I can still run basically every new game at 4k max settings. I don't really see much need to upgrade. Wonder if the AI rush will result in a situation where the state of the art is so far beyond what's needed for gaming that gpus won't be a bottleneck anymore.

I got a 3080 which I managed to pre-order at MSRP, up until ~1.5 year ago that thing was selling for more than I payed for it in the used market.

> Wonder if the AI rush will result in a situation where the state of the art is so far beyond what's needed for gaming that gpus won't be a bottleneck anymore.

I dunno, it seems the scaling is different for AI. Like AI is more about horizontal scaling and gaming is more about vertical scaling (after you get to native 4k resolutions).

Re: Nvidia RTX 5080 is on average 8.3% faster than RTX 4080 SUPER – first review

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I got a 3090 in the depths of the 2021 GPU shortage and for my purposes (mainly JRPGs) I can still run basically every new game at 4k max settings. I don't really see much need to upgrade. Wonder if the AI rush will result in a situation where the state of the art is so far beyond what's needed for gaming that gpus won't be a bottleneck anymore.

Any additional capability will be quickly filled with bloat, especially in the video game industry, where optimization is for post-release.

Expect a lot of creatively bankrupt tech demos with eye-watering hardware requirements.

Re: Nvidia RTX 5080 is on average 8.3% faster than RTX 4080 SUPER – first review

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post #16

I got a 3090 in the depths of the 2021 GPU shortage and for my purposes (mainly JRPGs) I can still run basically every new game at 4k max settings. I don't really see much need to upgrade. Wonder if the AI rush will result in a situation where the state of the art is so far beyond what's needed for gaming that gpus won't be a bottleneck anymore.

Any additional capability will be quickly filled with bloat, especially in the video game industry, where optimization is for post-release. Expect a lot of creatively bankrupt tech demos with eye-watering hardware requirements.

Oh and DLSS 4.0. A lot of AI frames, with actual responsive frame rate entering into cinematic territory...

Re: Nvidia RTX 5080 is on average 8.3% faster than RTX 4080 SUPER – first review

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post #16

I got a 3090 in the depths of the 2021 GPU shortage and for my purposes (mainly JRPGs) I can still run basically every new game at 4k max settings. I don't really see much need to upgrade. Wonder if the AI rush will result in a situation where the state of the art is so far beyond what's needed for gaming that gpus won't be a bottleneck anymore.

Any additional capability will be quickly filled with bloat, especially in the video game industry, where optimization is for post-release. Expect a lot of creatively bankrupt tech demos with eye-watering hardware requirements.

Man I sure love some blurry mess of pixels that looks like it’s straight out of the Wii U catalogue and requires a 4070 to run a 1080p60

Graphics programming is a lost art, buried deep below an *unreal* amount of abstraction layers

Re: Nvidia RTX 5080 is on average 8.3% faster than RTX 4080 SUPER – first review

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any additional capability will be quickly filled with bloat, especially in the video game industry, where optimization is for post-release. Expect a lot of creatively bankrupt tech demos with eye-watering hardware requirements.

Man I sure love some blurry mess of pixels that looks like it’s straight out of the Wii U catalogue and requires a 4070 to run a 1080p60 Graphics programming is a lost art, buried deep below an *unreal* amount of abstraction layers

I see what you did there.
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