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Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smoking weed. You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. Not that one is better than the other per-se. But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone pub…

>What does this guy's day look like?

There are a number of people that work while you sleep.

When I worked midnight shifts, 7am was my 6pm, if that makes sense.

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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It was really amazing to see how little smoking is visible in Tokyo and Osaka these days, even taking vaping into account. I don't know what the smoking/vaping rates are, but it's increasingly confined to homes or small smoking areas which makes things much nicer if you're a non-smoker. The fine is small, but I think in Japan the shame is probably the real punishment - 1000 yen might buy you two beers in a bar.

I am currently living in Tokyo and for the most part smoking is prohibited except for designated smoking areas. And while compared to Germany way less people seem to smoke and mostly follow the rules I see about one or two people during my commute every day who will vape or smoke either while walking or standing on the corner of a non-busy street. So not everyone cares but luckily most people do and I wish it was like this everywhere!

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smoking weed. You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. Not that one is better than the other per-se. But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone pub…

It would be ill advised to try smoking weed in public in Osaka.

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The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smoking weed. You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. Not that one is better than the other per-se. But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone pub…

I’ve never seen someone high on cannabis be a danger to others, and cannabis smoke airs out pretty easily, as opposed to cigarette smoke that sticks to everything and doesn’t go away.

Not that cannabis smoke isn’t annoying, but it’s far less annoying than cigarette smoke ever was.

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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I'm gonna ask the same thing I asked when some city in Spain did this. What happens to people who live in non smoking apartments and don't have private outdoor space to smoke? I'm not sure what a "reasonable" carve out for these people would look like but people aren't idiots and they tend to resent individuals, groups and institutions that make their daily behavior unlawful with the stroke of a pen and the more poli…

> What happens to people who live in non smoking apartments and don't have private outdoor space to smoke? You switch to vaping (public health win!) or you move.

I agree vaping is a big public health improvement (not that I'm a particular fan of it) over smoking but they banned that too...

Nobody is gonna move over smoking. They're just gonna resent you. And that'll hamstring your next public health action or whatever because the political will just won't be there.

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smoking weed. You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. Not that one is better than the other per-se. But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone pub…

> Not that one is better than the other per-se.

Smoking weed is CLEARLY, OVERWHELMINGLY better than smoking tobacco by being less addictive and MUCH less likely to cause various cancers.

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smoking weed. You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. Not that one is better than the other per-se. But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone pub…

I think the same when I see people chugging a fat black coffee the moment they wake up. I wouldn’t be able to focus at all, constant jitters - how can these people all work effectively while being strung out on caffeine?

The answer is it’s all about tolerance and what drugs are social acceptable. The guy who smokes all day just gets back to baseline with his first joint in the day, he’s not actually high as you would be if you did that - same as with the caffeine addicts.

I think in a free society everyone should be able to put in their body what they believe is good for them - it’s a bit more complicated in real life but still…

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smoking weed. You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. Not that one is better than the other per-se. But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone pub…

I think the same when I see people chugging a fat black coffee the moment they wake up. I wouldn’t be able to focus at all, constant jitters - how can these people all work effectively while being strung out on caffeine? The answer is it’s all about tolerance and what drugs are social acceptable. The guy who smokes all day just gets back to baseline with his first joint in the day, he’s not actually high as you would…

If someone drinks coffee in public, nobody around them gets "passive coffee drinking", in order to be a public nuisance like smokers.

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smoking weed. You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. Not that one is better than the other per-se. But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone pub…

I’ve never seen someone high on cannabis be a danger to others, and cannabis smoke airs out pretty easily, as opposed to cigarette smoke that sticks to everything and doesn’t go away. Not that cannabis smoke isn’t annoying, but it’s far less annoying than cigarette smoke ever was.

> I’ve never seen someone high on cannabis be a danger to others

I think driving while high is dangerous and inexplicably very accepted in society.

But my comment wasn't "they're hurting someone by choosing to smoke weed". It's more I feel bad that they're inebriated for much of their day and for me that's kind of sad. I've known pot-heads before and they're not exactly living their best lives and are often dependent on a substance to make it through the day.

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