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Can the Terms of the GPL Prevent GNU/Linux being used for War?

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Re: Can the Terms of the GPL Prevent GNU/Linux being used for War?

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A few things to consider:

- The government has the power of eminent domain, and the military has a history of "seizing" intellectual property to use for military endeavors.

- The restrictions of the GPL are mostly associated with distribution. As the US Government is a single, sovereign entity, someone with a deep understanding of the law would need to determine whether modifying GPLd source code and putting it on a sovereign-owned drone was "distributing" the code.

Re: Can the Terms of the GPL Prevent GNU/Linux being used for War?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes! :) For those that's not familiar with it: "Betteridge's Law of Headlines is an adage that states, "Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word 'no'"."

"Is Betteridge's Law generally true?"

You forgot to put it in a headline.

Re: Can the Terms of the GPL Prevent GNU/Linux being used for War?

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A few things to consider: - The government has the power of eminent domain, and the military has a history of "seizing" intellectual property to use for military endeavors. - The restrictions of the GPL are mostly associated with distribution. As the US Government is a single, sovereign entity, someone with a deep understanding of the law would need to determine whether modifying GPLd source code and putting it on a…

Yes. I used to work for the government, and the question came up on several occasions whether it was permissible to download GPL software, make a few tweaks to suit our needs, and then use it only internally without releasing it. I never got a good answer.

Re: Can the Terms of the GPL Prevent GNU/Linux being used for War?

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Does Java's license still forbid its use in medical equipment, aviation systems and nuclear facility control?

I imagine then that the licensor can put what ever terms in the license that they choose. I'd like to watch, though, as you go about enforcing a "No War" license on somebody who is prepared to wage a war.

Re: Can the Terms of the GPL Prevent GNU/Linux being used for War?

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A few things to consider: - The government has the power of eminent domain, and the military has a history of "seizing" intellectual property to use for military endeavors. - The restrictions of the GPL are mostly associated with distribution. As the US Government is a single, sovereign entity, someone with a deep understanding of the law would need to determine whether modifying GPLd source code and putting it on a…

Re: Distribution:

There was a satirical post to lwn.net about a month ago that asked whether or not the US Navy would need to pack a CD into missiles that contained GPL software so that the target of the missile would get a copy of the source code when it was "delivered" to them(http://lwn.net/Articles/501536/ ).

Re: Can the Terms of the GPL Prevent GNU/Linux being used for War?

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post #10

>It should be pointed out, infairness, that the US Navy will also be using these drones to detect drug running in the Caribbean and I don't think anyone would object to that I'll object to it. It's nobody's business to dictate to people what they can do with their own bodies. The current drug laws create a black market and fuel gang violence. As demonstrated by countries like Portugal, treating drug use as a health i…

The good news is those drug-running submarines can run Linux just the same.

Re: Can the Terms of the GPL Prevent GNU/Linux being used for War?

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post #14

A few things to consider: - The government has the power of eminent domain, and the military has a history of "seizing" intellectual property to use for military endeavors. - The restrictions of the GPL are mostly associated with distribution. As the US Government is a single, sovereign entity, someone with a deep understanding of the law would need to determine whether modifying GPLd source code and putting it on a…

Yes. I used to work for the government, and the question came up on several occasions whether it was permissible to download GPL software, make a few tweaks to suit our needs, and then use it only internally without releasing it. I never got a good answer.

Well, I can tell you it was. The GPL only forces you to distribute the code to whoever got the binaries, and employees don't count. So internal distribution is pretty much "do what you want".

Re: Can the Terms of the GPL Prevent GNU/Linux being used for War?

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Does Java's license still forbid its use in medical equipment, aviation systems and nuclear facility control? I imagine then that the licensor can put what ever terms in the license that they choose. I'd like to watch, though, as you go about enforcing a "No War" license on somebody who is prepared to wage a war.

Does Java's license still forbid its use in medical equipment, aviation systems and nuclear facility control?

Java is GPL licensed now, so no.

Re: Can the Terms of the GPL Prevent GNU/Linux being used for War?

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post #2

War is pretty much the definition of "we don't care what you think and will do whatever we want", so this is probably a moot point.

I was ready to agree, but in glancing at the article I see a U.S. drone control station. And I'm reminded that one of the U.S. service branches (Air Force?) is in the course of switching from a Windows to a Linux platform, after the former was found to be infested with exploits.

Which makes me think: In the limited scale if pervasive and seemingly perpetual engagements and theaters we are currently experiencing, might there be some leverage? Some of these are not "all out" campaigns, and image and public perception do play significant roles in their continued viability. Their limited scale may also somewhat more readily place them within the purview of civilian and criminal courts -- at least in some cases.

I guess I'll have to read the article.

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