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Will young developers take on key open source software?

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Re: Will young developers take on key open source software?

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Post by johnnyanmac »

nejsjsjsbsb wrote: post #8
notyourwork wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s true, open source doesn’t pay (usually) and millennials and younger are struggling to buy houses and just live.

Not only does it not pay but the impact is a lot lower. Can you make an editor anything like VSCode or a cache like Redis? The bar is sky high and for zero dollars it ain't worth it for most.

I don't think it needs to be sky high. The first story on here was one of a person who just basically wrapped a bunch of transfer protocols into one commend (yes, I'm severely underplaying the time and effort involved).

But I suppose it depends on what sort or magnitude of impact you want to make on the scene.

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Post by SR2Z »

seper8 wrote: post #3

Young people are too busy with being blasted in the ass financially to focus on hobby side projects. Boomers pulled up the ladder and now they're wondering why noone is climbing up.

lol Gen Z is wealthier at this point in their lives than every preceding generation was and not even by a small margin

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Post by mainecoder »

StefanBatory wrote: post #4
kazinator wrote: post #2

> “You've got a next generation who haven't engaged as a philanthropic community and volunteer community in the same way, at the same scale.” That's basically a kind way of saying that they mock the crazy old guy who shakes his fists at the cloud, and mumbles something about Microsoft and Google.

At my university, I remember having obligatory "volunteer" hours. I remember doing my internship unpaid. While I know that's how things simply are, I imagine in current climate it'd put off a lot of people away from anything that resembles volunteering. "If you're good at something, never do it for free."

Actually it's that inflation and cost of living has squeezed people so much that volunteering and prestigious low paid internships/ unpaid internships are mostly done by people from affluent backgrounds where as back in the day the middle class was the rich of today.

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Post by mainecoder »

SR2Z wrote: post #14
seper8 wrote: post #3

Young people are too busy with being blasted in the ass financially to focus on hobby side projects. Boomers pulled up the ladder and now they're wondering why noone is climbing up.

lol Gen Z is wealthier at this point in their lives than every preceding generation was and not even by a small margin

A portion of GenZ is wealthier than any generation of upper class ever. This is the most unequal generation in terms of wealth and education(people who submit papers on additive number theory in high school while the others have a 4th grade reading comprehension and a few thousand followers on tiktok).

Re: Will young developers take on key open source software?

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Post by trod1234 »

nejsjsjsbsb wrote: post #8
notyourwork wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s true, open source doesn’t pay (usually) and millennials and younger are struggling to buy houses and just live.

Not only does it not pay but the impact is a lot lower. Can you make an editor anything like VSCode or a cache like Redis? The bar is sky high and for zero dollars it ain't worth it for most.

Well in many ways its a deceitfully clever way to extract slave labor of the disenfranchised.

Its an unpopular view but most of FOSS getting to the point of adoption that its at today was largely a reaction to monopolies, barriers of entry, and bad software alternatives whose cost was price gouging.

Build an OSS software suite as a company, solicit free labor, get bought out, take it private and reap the reward of money printing.

Knowing this cycle is a reality, as opposed to just someone saying it can theoretically happen, who would ever contribute when they aren't paid?

There are plenty of competent and skilled people today who are out of work, and can't feed themselves without government assistance.

Re: Will young developers take on key open source software?

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Post by trod1234 »

mainecoder wrote: post #16
SR2Z wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lol Gen Z is wealthier at this point in their lives than every preceding generation was and not even by a small margin

A portion of GenZ is wealthier than any generation of upper class ever. This is the most unequal generation in terms of wealth and education(people who submit papers on additive number theory in high school while the others have a 4th grade reading comprehension and a few thousand followers on tiktok).

What's worse, that inequality is not based in competency or meritocracy but in inheritance, corruption, money printing, and connections.

The poor reading comprehension is the purposeful product of decades of indoctrination, torture, and selective interference to breed out and reduce intelligence.

Re: Will young developers take on key open source software?

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Post by SR2Z »

mainecoder wrote: post #16
SR2Z wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lol Gen Z is wealthier at this point in their lives than every preceding generation was and not even by a small margin

A portion of GenZ is wealthier than any generation of upper class ever. This is the most unequal generation in terms of wealth and education(people who submit papers on additive number theory in high school while the others have a 4th grade reading comprehension and a few thousand followers on tiktok).

Do you have a source for the claim that poor GenZ are worse off than past generations?

I'm actually curious, I've only seen the numbers in aggregate.

Re: Will young developers take on key open source software?

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Post by StefanBatory »

mainecoder wrote: post #15
StefanBatory wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At my university, I remember having obligatory "volunteer" hours. I remember doing my internship unpaid. While I know that's how things simply are, I imagine in current climate it'd put off a lot of people away from anything that resembles volunteering. "If you're good at something, never do it for free."

Actually it's that inflation and cost of living has squeezed people so much that volunteering and prestigious low paid internships/ unpaid internships are mostly done by people from affluent backgrounds where as back in the day the middle class was the rich of today.

Also, the volunteering stuff we had was mostly related to helping uni organise events and so on.

So we were unpaid labor.

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