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Chinese AI Startup DeepSeek Overtakes ChatGPT on Apple App Store

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Re: Chinese AI Startup DeepSeek Overtakes ChatGPT on Apple App Store

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They deny the tiananmen massacre, the abuses on uyghurs, and defend the CCP. LLMs are replacing Google and becoming the source of truth for an entire generation. This is extremly dangerous and medias have the duty to cover that. doesn't matter for business use-cases (except for search engines or knowledge base usecases).

I tried with Kagis LLM assistant. Without web search: Chat V3 discusses the events: violent government crackdown, human rights violations, censoring. R1 evades answering, stating the topic is sensitive in China (simlar how it reacts to American sensitive topics) With web search enabled, R1 discusses the found sources (which are not censored, and the model does not add any censoring as far as I can tell, certainly not…

Yes they censorship seems to be done at the RLHF level and is easy to evade when you know what you're looking for. Refusals happen around 80% of the time for me.

Interestingly, even the 8B version, distilled from Llama 3 repeats CCP propaganda just fine.

Re: Chinese AI Startup DeepSeek Overtakes ChatGPT on Apple App Store

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Everyone is amazed by the benchmarks, but I've yet to encounter journalists that cover how much R1 and V3 are propaganda machines. They deny the tiananmen massacre, the abuses on uyghurs, and defend the CCP. LLMs are replacing Google and becoming the source of truth for an entire generation. This is extremly dangerous and medias have the duty to cover that.

DeepSeek open sourced the model

HuggingFace is currently replicating DeepSeek, and others will follow. That will remove all CCP censorship in the model. DeepSeek has huge impact because it takes only $6 million to train from scratch.

Re: Chinese AI Startup DeepSeek Overtakes ChatGPT on Apple App Store

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Everyone is amazed by the benchmarks, but I've yet to encounter journalists that cover how much R1 and V3 are propaganda machines. They deny the tiananmen massacre, the abuses on uyghurs, and defend the CCP. LLMs are replacing Google and becoming the source of truth for an entire generation. This is extremly dangerous and medias have the duty to cover that.

DeepSeek open sourced the model HuggingFace is currently replicating DeepSeek, and others will follow. That will remove all CCP censorship in the model. DeepSeek has huge impact because it takes only $6 million to train from scratch.

Yes I'm quite happy they gave so many details in the paper, it's the first sota paper with actual science in it!

This thread is about americans installing the DeepSeek app though, which is quite worrisome.

Re: Chinese AI Startup DeepSeek Overtakes ChatGPT on Apple App Store

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They deny the tiananmen massacre, the abuses on uyghurs, and defend the CCP. LLMs are replacing Google and becoming the source of truth for an entire generation. This is extremly dangerous and medias have the duty to cover that. doesn't matter for business use-cases (except for search engines or knowledge base usecases).

Would you like a CCP sleeper agent to work in your company?

If I allow NSA why not CCP?

Re: Chinese AI Startup DeepSeek Overtakes ChatGPT on Apple App Store

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The title is: "DeepSeek hit by outages as users flock to Chinese AI startup"

Reuters changed the original title.

You can see the original in the url "/chinese-ai-startup-deepseek-overtakes-chatgpt-apple-app-store-2025-01-27/"

News sites try multiple headlines and settle for the one that gets most clicks.

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