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Re: FEMA May Be Eliminated

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Post by joezydeco »

matthest wrote: post #6
taylodl wrote: post #2

Awesome! If California residents weren't paying for all the hurricanes in the deep red South and tornadoes in the deep red plains states, then they'd have plenty of money to take care of themselves. Does this guy ever think through anything before opening his mouth? Is he even capable of thinking?

I don't know enough about how FEMA works, but I'm assuming it operates at a federal level? Could eliminating it force states to strengthen their own disaster relief programs? If that's the case, some potential benefits of this might be that states get more efficient with their overall budget (in order to support disaster relief initiatives). And maybe spurs more innovation in disaster relief tech/processes.

Red states will still get government assistance after disasters. Just watch.

Re: FEMA May Be Eliminated

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Post by xnx »

Terr_ wrote: post #3

> Florida, Louisiana and Texas residents have received the lion's share of FEMA direct assistance since 2015, per newly gathered data. https://www.axios.com/2024/10/08/fema-direct-payments-state-...

Would be slightly more informative as per-capita numbers since Texas and Florida are #2 and #3 most populous states.

Re: FEMA May Be Eliminated

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Post by wmf »

xnx wrote: post #8

I'm not a fan of the "chaos agent" style of politics, but sometimes it does bring up topics that would be taboo to talk about otherwise.

Chat, is it good actually to let the gulf coast degrade into a third-world shithole?

Re: FEMA May Be Eliminated

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Post by jschveibinz »

I'm not taking a political stance here, because that's not the purpose of this forum. But from an efficiency perspective, I believe the question is whether a federal "agency" (and its associated bureaucracy) is necessary to deal with local emergencies, not whether federal "financial aid" may be necessary to help support state and local governments. Most if not all states have their own emergency management programs.

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Post by sundaeofshock »

basementcat wrote: post #4
taylodl wrote: post #2

Awesome! If California residents weren't paying for all the hurricanes in the deep red South and tornadoes in the deep red plains states, then they'd have plenty of money to take care of themselves. Does this guy ever think through anything before opening his mouth? Is he even capable of thinking?

> Does this guy ever think through anything before opening his mouth? Is he even capable of thinking? None of this behavior is new; the American people have been fully aware of this and a voting majority decided that he was the most qualified person for the job.

Dismal Trump did not get a majority of voters. He received 49.8% of the vote.

Re: FEMA May Be Eliminated

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Post by taylodl »

redserk wrote: post #10
matthest wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know enough about how FEMA works, but I'm assuming it operates at a federal level? Could eliminating it force states to strengthen their own disaster relief programs? If that's the case, some potential benefits of this might be that states get more efficient with their overall budget (in order to support disaster relief initiatives). And maybe spurs more innovation in disaster relief tech/processes.

I'd assume states with tighter budgets and less of a tax base will be unable to replicate FEMA's resources, while more populous and wealthy states will be able to work around it. My questions are if this would have any repurcussions on EMAC membership and if it would increase politicization of aid between states. We've seen this with a number of conservative-leaning states pulling out of ERIC over flimsy political re…

BINGO! Poor, rural states don't have the manpower resources or monetary resources to take care of the aftermath of disasters. Let me put it this way, North Carolina wasn't waiting on FEMA in order to start taking care of their disaster.

Re: FEMA May Be Eliminated

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Post by taylodl »

joezydeco wrote: post #11
matthest wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know enough about how FEMA works, but I'm assuming it operates at a federal level? Could eliminating it force states to strengthen their own disaster relief programs? If that's the case, some potential benefits of this might be that states get more efficient with their overall budget (in order to support disaster relief initiatives). And maybe spurs more innovation in disaster relief tech/processes.

Red states will still get government assistance after disasters. Just watch.

Never forget Super Storm Sandy

Re: FEMA May Be Eliminated

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Post by swatcoder »

This seems a relevant time to remember that 90's-era conspiracy mythology saw FEMA as the big boogeyman agency whose emergency powers were essential to an authoritarian seizure of the nation.

Along with the ATF and IRS (for other reasons), its looming and certain villiany rallied sovereign citizen and militia types to organize and arm themselves.

Assuming some of those people now have more political influence than they have had in the past, it seems like the legacy of that mythos could be part of what's at play here.

Re: FEMA May Be Eliminated

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Post by readthenotes1 »

wmf wrote: post #13
xnx wrote: post #8

I'm not a fan of the "chaos agent" style of politics, but sometimes it does bring up topics that would be taboo to talk about otherwise.

Chat, is it good actually to let the gulf coast degrade into a third-world shithole?

Was it good to encourage people to settle in flood plains? LBJ has some explaining to do...

Re: FEMA May Be Eliminated

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Post by krapp »

swatcoder wrote: post #18

This seems a relevant time to remember that 90's-era conspiracy mythology saw FEMA as the big boogeyman agency whose emergency powers were essential to an authoritarian seizure of the nation. Along with the ATF and IRS (for other reasons), its looming and certain villiany rallied sovereign citizen and militia types to organize and arm themselves. Assuming some of those people now have more political influence than th…

I don't remember anyone bringing up the "FEMA death camps" during COVID but it wouldn't surprise me if it made a resurgence.
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