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Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

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"huge opportunity in German mechanical engineering". Ha. He should compare a modern German car, with their 2-3 year warranty, to a modern chinese car such as BYD, with their 8 year warranty.

Kia is famous for their warranty AND the Kia Boys thing. The most reliable Japanese brands (Toyota, Honda, Mazda, I'd say) only offer 3 years here. Warranty seems to be a marketing thing, in the automobile world.

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The right-wing narrative scattered throughout this article is irritating. It's also a bit laughable that Germany could stand a realistic chance to top the world's intelligent robot production - as long as we're talking about general-purpose and hence likely humanoid robots. As far as I'm aware, Germany has no history in building such robots while companies from other countries, both Asian and US, have a big head-star…

> Germany has no history in building such robots

Germany was leading in the industrial robots with KUKA until they sold the company to China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KUKA

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The issue in Germany is that most companies don't take software seriously. They often outsource their software to freelancers or establish offshore offices in EU countries that pay less for software engineers compared to Germany or simply hire agencies. For instance, consider Volkswagen’s struggles with its EV transition. Despite this, they ultimately decided to invest in Rivian to leverage their software. To create…

German software is SAP. Every other software from them is made in Poland, Romania, Belarus, and Russia.

No, SAP is German software. And there are many other software companies in Germany, albeit with much less publicity.

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The issue in Germany is that most companies don't take software seriously. They often outsource their software to freelancers or establish offshore offices in EU countries that pay less for software engineers compared to Germany or simply hire agencies. For instance, consider Volkswagen’s struggles with its EV transition. Despite this, they ultimately decided to invest in Rivian to leverage their software. To create…

German software is SAP. Every other software from them is made in Poland, Romania, Belarus, and Russia.

IMO, it's a culture thing. Even German software companies think writing software is low-status and try to outsource as much of it as possible to Eastern Europe.

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Wow, given his attitudes to unemployed immigrants I can't imagine he'll have much sympathy for the people whose jobs the robots will replace. Nonetheless good article, I think he is right that it is an opportunity for Germany.

The good thing about general purpose robots is that solves the aging population issue without having to resort to migration.

The "elites" (people like 360° turn Baerbock) want more immigrants under any circumstances. They are like Russian nobility back in the day where they think their own population are peasants while speaking French to distinguish themselves.

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The issue in Germany is that most companies don't take software seriously. They often outsource their software to freelancers or establish offshore offices in EU countries that pay less for software engineers compared to Germany or simply hire agencies. For instance, consider Volkswagen’s struggles with its EV transition. Despite this, they ultimately decided to invest in Rivian to leverage their software. To create…

That's true of the entire EU. No one cares about software. Just look at the immense salary gap with the US or Canada.

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Wow, given his attitudes to unemployed immigrants I can't imagine he'll have much sympathy for the people whose jobs the robots will replace. Nonetheless good article, I think he is right that it is an opportunity for Germany.

The good thing about general purpose robots is that solves the aging population issue without having to resort to migration.

“Good thing”? Some people would rather invest (waste) trillions of euros and decades of research rather than accepting all humans are equal.

SMH

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The good thing about general purpose robots is that solves the aging population issue without having to resort to migration.

The "elites" (people like 360° turn Baerbock) want more immigrants under any circumstances. They are like Russian nobility back in the day where they think their own population are peasants while speaking French to distinguish themselves.

Sounds an awful lot like India's elite (who ask the non-English speaking "peasants" why they can't rise up with all the English-only universities and schools).

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General purpose robots don’t make sense - humans are infinitely better for this purpose and way cheaper to produce.

Sure the robots could do very dangerous or tedious work that would be “inhuman”, but I would argue that for this kind of work a specialised robot will always be more efficient and way cheaper to produce.

Apart from how science fiction this all is - we can’t even produce a general purpose robot don’t make that does the most basic things like walking or picking up objects in real life (outside of special test environments)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The good thing about general purpose robots is that solves the aging population issue without having to resort to migration.

The "elites" (people like 360° turn Baerbock) want more immigrants under any circumstances. They are like Russian nobility back in the day where they think their own population are peasants while speaking French to distinguish themselves.

Europe is back into its historical power dynamics, e.g. Catherine II was Prussian and also the Russian emperor. National states in Central and Eastern Europe were an anomaly lasting 80 years. Once US accepted the return of ruling dynasties, Europe has no other choice than to follow. People will quarrel over any scraps and ideologies the elites throw at them. Nothing will stop the gravitation of German industry towards Russian resources.
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