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Firefox Beta 15 supports the new Opus audio format

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Re: Firefox Beta 15 supports the new Opus audio format

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Luckily it's going to be W3C standard, and Apple and MS won't be able to use their lame excuses to avoid implementing it in their browsers, like they did for Vorbis, VP8 and etc.

Microsoft actually helped with the development of Opus according to the article. :)

Re: Firefox Beta 15 supports the new Opus audio format

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Luckily it's going to be W3C standard, and Apple and MS won't be able to use their lame excuses to avoid implementing it in their browsers, like they did for Vorbis, VP8 and etc.

Microsoft actually helped with the development of Opus according to the article. :)

I remember when MS participated in MPEG-4 development and then fought MPEG-4 for years.

Re: Firefox Beta 15 supports the new Opus audio format

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Luckily it's going to be W3C standard, and Apple and MS won't be able to use their lame excuses to avoid implementing it in their browsers, like they did for Vorbis, VP8 and etc.

Doesn't Apple's lame excuse of unknown patents apply to all technologies?

Potentially yes. But Microsoft and Apple not supporting VP8 & WebM probably has more to do with these companies being part of MPEG LA (a firm which sell licenses for H.264 related patents).

Re: Firefox Beta 15 supports the new Opus audio format

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I went into the article thinking why isn't OGG good enough, and the xkcd joke about 15 different standards. I left pleased about this new standard (from an advert, any downsides?) but need some patent assurances. If Mozilla are happy will everyone be?

Ogg is a container format. The Opus support in Firefox is Opus inside the Ogg container. You probably mean "why isn't Vorbis good enough". Even the article has this error when it says that Opus compression is better than Ogg. They mean Vorbis there presumably.

Re: Firefox Beta 15 supports the new Opus audio format

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I went into the article thinking why isn't OGG good enough, and the xkcd joke about 15 different standards. I left pleased about this new standard (from an advert, any downsides?) but need some patent assurances. If Mozilla are happy will everyone be?

Unfortunately, according to Wikipedia, Skype holds software patents on parts of the algorithm. Even though they said they'd make them avaiable royalty-free, this still means it isn't completely free.

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Re: Firefox Beta 15 supports the new Opus audio format

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't Apple's lame excuse of unknown patents apply to all technologies?

Potentially yes. But Microsoft and Apple not supporting VP8 & WebM probably has more to do with these companies being part of MPEG LA (a firm which sell licenses for H.264 related patents).

If Apple was opposed to Vorbis, I imagine they would be equally opposed to any new audio codec. http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2007-Dec...

Re: Firefox Beta 15 supports the new Opus audio format

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't Apple's lame excuse of unknown patents apply to all technologies?

Potentially yes. But Microsoft and Apple not supporting VP8 & WebM probably has more to do with these companies being part of MPEG LA (a firm which sell licenses for H.264 related patents).

>But Microsoft and Apple not supporting VP8 & WebM probably has more to do with these companies being part of MPEG LA (a firm which sell licenses for H.264 related patents).

Microsoft(and probably Apple too) pays more than what it gets from the pool, so that doesn't make sense.

Re: Firefox Beta 15 supports the new Opus audio format

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(2010) Some discussion about CELT / Opus from the author of x264: http://pbox.ca/16cbg

Just checking, CELT & Opus are the same thing? Seems like they're saying that Opus is a merge of CELT & SILK

Yes, Opus is basically a merge of CELT and SILK.

SILK is a speech codec developed by Skype whereas CELT is a general purpose audio codec developed by Xiph.org. Opus can use either of them (to encode speech or e.g. music, respectively) or it can use both codecs simultaneously for high-quality speech.

Re: Firefox Beta 15 supports the new Opus audio format

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I went into the article thinking why isn't OGG good enough, and the xkcd joke about 15 different standards. I left pleased about this new standard (from an advert, any downsides?) but need some patent assurances. If Mozilla are happy will everyone be?

Unfortunately, according to Wikipedia, Skype holds software patents on parts of the algorithm. Even though they said they'd make them avaiable royalty-free, this still means it isn't completely free.

in some ways, a perpetual unrestricted license is better than an unpatented algorithm. The big excuse for not adopting webm was "uncertainty" about the patent situation. If skype has the patents and is giving free licenses, there isn't any uncertainty here, you know that microsoft has no basis to ever sue.
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