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If you really want to “degoogle” you should probably go for self-hosting or getting a managed OSS product (e.g. managed Mailcow/Sogo Hosting). Otherwise you’re just switching from one crazy billionaire to another.
This is a function of Proton’s weird e2ee setup, which the calendar and contacts and email protocols were never designed for. I self-host my own calendar, email, and contacts now. You can probably do it on a raspberry pi or small NUC at home, with some port forwards over nebula/tailscale from a $5 VPS, if you wish.
Self hosting email sounds like it comes with a lot of dragons, what do you use for it?
But that's like the entire value prop of using Proton Calendar over the many other options out there, isn't it?
Fwiw, I had a similar experience and ended up switching to Fastmail. Less private which is a shame, but still achieves degoogling
Like Proton, it’s Swiss based, like FastMail, everything is using standard protocols. So unlike Proton, it’s just basic mail with no encryption but at least your mails are in a pretty safe jurisdiction.
If you care about it and use the webmail, the UX is pretty much ok but let’s be honest, FastMail is waaay ahead everyone else when it comes to usability. If you just use native clients to access your mail/calendar etc … it will just be the same.
It’s also a little cheaper than FastMail.
I have not tried this, but there is some email obfuscation feature:
https://proton.me/support/pass-email-alias
and other email obfuscation services.
Not sure if this would matter for something like a calendar import, as I'm sure how the traversal works.
Also, the author could have tried a Murena /e/ os de-googled phone.
Glancing at my Murena /e/ os "App Lounge" there's dizzying number of calendar options with high privacy scores.
Also, doing some poking around and testing rather than going all-in on proton mail's calendar, esp. if calendaring is so important.
That said I use proton mail's calendar for everything personal and it works "ok" for me.
A lot of this reads like "I wish Proton Calendar wasn't encrypted on their servers." But that's like the entire value prop of using Proton Calendar over the many other options out there, isn't it?
That's how I read it.
Switching from Google to Proton sounds like picking the lesser of two evils. If you really want to “degoogle” you should probably go for self-hosting or getting a managed OSS product (e.g. managed Mailcow/Sogo Hosting). Otherwise you’re just switching from one crazy billionaire to another. https://mastodon.neat.computer/@jonah/113705526672291257
We can merely choose between which is the seemingly better known evil.
Self hosting is a way to go. It would be nice if one of those "no code" shops could make it a bit easier or something.
So I ended up just self-hosting my calendar.
It's pretty easy to self-host a calendar, it can be as easy as dumping a bunch of PHP files on a server and connecting to a MySQL database (e.g. using Baïkal).