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Training AI models might not need enormous data centres

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Re: Training AI models might not need enormous data centres

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Open source public models trained on kosher data are substantially derisking the AI hype. It makes a lot of sense to push this approach as far as it can get. Its similar to SETI at home etc. but potentially with far more impact.

It's been in the air; and bittensor, hyperbolic & co have been on some of the angles for a while. Models, by the people and for the people, Wikipedia + "SETI at home" style. Eventually and with pre/training ofc, this will include inference too.

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post #6

Open source public models trained on kosher data are substantially derisking the AI hype. It makes a lot of sense to push this approach as far as it can get. Its similar to SETI at home etc. but potentially with far more impact.

They could, would and should. But: Training a state of the art LLM costs millions in GPU, electricity alone. There is no "open" organization at this point that can cover this. Current "open source public models" are shared by big players like Meta to undermine the competition. And they only publish their weights, not the training data, training protocols, training code; meaning it's not reproducible, and questionable…

I understood SETI style meaning crowdsourced. Instead of mining bitcoin you mine LLMs. It's a nice idea I think. Not sure about technical details, bandwidth limitations, performance, etc.

Re: Training AI models might not need enormous data centres

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could, would and should. But: Training a state of the art LLM costs millions in GPU, electricity alone. There is no "open" organization at this point that can cover this. Current "open source public models" are shared by big players like Meta to undermine the competition. And they only publish their weights, not the training data, training protocols, training code; meaning it's not reproducible, and questionable…

I understood SETI style meaning crowdsourced. Instead of mining bitcoin you mine LLMs. It's a nice idea I think. Not sure about technical details, bandwidth limitations, performance, etc.

SETI had a clear purpose that donors of computer resources could get behind. The LLM corps early on decided to drink the steering poison that will keep there from ever being a united community for making open LLMs. At best you'll get a fractured world of different projects, each with its own steering directives.

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understood SETI style meaning crowdsourced. Instead of mining bitcoin you mine LLMs. It's a nice idea I think. Not sure about technical details, bandwidth limitations, performance, etc.

SETI had a clear purpose that donors of computer resources could get behind. The LLM corps early on decided to drink the steering poison that will keep there from ever being a united community for making open LLMs. At best you'll get a fractured world of different projects, each with its own steering directives.

The internet is for ____.

That could be a factor that unites enough people to donate their compute time to build diffusion models. At least if it was easy enough to set up.

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could, would and should. But: Training a state of the art LLM costs millions in GPU, electricity alone. There is no "open" organization at this point that can cover this. Current "open source public models" are shared by big players like Meta to undermine the competition. And they only publish their weights, not the training data, training protocols, training code; meaning it's not reproducible, and questionable…

I understood SETI style meaning crowdsourced. Instead of mining bitcoin you mine LLMs. It's a nice idea I think. Not sure about technical details, bandwidth limitations, performance, etc.

Unfortunately, LLM training is not as computationally easy (embarrassingly parallel) as mining bitcoins.

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post #6

Open source public models trained on kosher data are substantially derisking the AI hype. It makes a lot of sense to push this approach as far as it can get. Its similar to SETI at home etc. but potentially with far more impact.

Aren’t there a ton of blockchain projects trying to do this kind of distributed compute / LLM with tokenisation rewards etc? Theta project comes to mind

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You could consider a LLM as a very lossy compression artifact. Where they took terabytes of input data, and ended up with model under the 100 gigabytes. It is quite remarkable what such a model can do, even fabricating new output that was not in the input data.

However, in my naïvety, I wonder whether vastly simpler algorithms could be used to end up with similar results. Regular compression techniques work with speeds up to 700MB/s.

Re: Training AI models might not need enormous data centres

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understood SETI style meaning crowdsourced. Instead of mining bitcoin you mine LLMs. It's a nice idea I think. Not sure about technical details, bandwidth limitations, performance, etc.

Unfortunately, LLM training is not as computationally easy (embarrassingly parallel) as mining bitcoins.

damn it! but nice research area

Re: Training AI models might not need enormous data centres

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post #17

You could consider a LLM as a very lossy compression artifact. Where they took terabytes of input data, and ended up with model under the 100 gigabytes. It is quite remarkable what such a model can do, even fabricating new output that was not in the input data. However, in my naïvety, I wonder whether vastly simpler algorithms could be used to end up with similar results. Regular compression techniques work with spee…

If they could get to a 5.2 Weissman compression score it would probably make a substantial difference.

Re: Training AI models might not need enormous data centres

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post #17

You could consider a LLM as a very lossy compression artifact. Where they took terabytes of input data, and ended up with model under the 100 gigabytes. It is quite remarkable what such a model can do, even fabricating new output that was not in the input data. However, in my naïvety, I wonder whether vastly simpler algorithms could be used to end up with similar results. Regular compression techniques work with spee…

You could consider the human mind to be a very lossy compression artifact.
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