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Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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Re: Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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Post by Apocryphon »

machinekob wrote: post #6
Apocryphon wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Inflation caused by the pandemic era policies upturned governments more that any acronym. The U.K. went the opposite of right, for instance. And Orban in Hungary might finally get the boot this year because of economic doldrums.

UK also is moving to the right reform + conservatives are pooling at around 45-60% atm. Labor is only in power cause reform and conservatives split votes Only place that was in reverse of this trends was Poland in 2022 which shit to the center-right from “populist right” and possibly Hungary but we don’t know yet as Orban was losing pools for like 10 years but never lost election. If economy is good people won’t care…

U.K. is moving to the right because of Starmer’s lack of competence and charisma.

> If economy is good people won’t care about politics when economy is bad folks start getting political

We agree. But you don’t seem to agree with your earlier post up-thread.

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Post by piva00 »

machinekob wrote: post #3

DEI was so good and righteous idea that it shifted most of the western world to the right more than dozens of islamist terrorist attacks in previous decades. And ofc. all US corporations would follow this cultural change or they’ll risk antitrust/tax/law investigations from Trump and all EU government that’ll be elected in next few years.

Can you share all the sources linking DEI policies to the right-wing shift? Because to me it looks more like a scapegoat post-factum where right-wingers tied themselves to the idea of DEI to fan the flames rather than it being a causal point. It's just another selling point for the hatred-fueled base of right-wingers, not too different from "immigrants are taking your jobs" or "women in the workforce are the cause of unaffordable housing/less well paid jobs", etc.

It's just a mirage to manipulate dissatisfied people, classic populist move.

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Post by slt2021 »

pavlov wrote: post #5

The thing about DEI is that people seem to think it’s about giving unjust benefits to some specific groups they don’t like, and ignore the fact that it also benefits groups they do like. I don’t think right-wingers have a problem with being more inclusive of veterans or people with disabilities, for example. But progress made for those groups is the baby that now gets thrown out with the DEI bathwater.

the problem is that DEI is not regulated by law and fundamentally is a discrimination.

veterans hiring is encoded in Veterans hiring preference Act, disabled people have protections against discrimination in ADA act.

There is no law that enforces DEI, its all vibes and fuzzy warm words that lead to discrimination against white men.

There is no law, but DEI is being enforced as such - this is the root of the problem.

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Post by Cumpiler69 »

pavlov wrote: post #5

The thing about DEI is that people seem to think it’s about giving unjust benefits to some specific groups they don’t like, and ignore the fact that it also benefits groups they do like. I don’t think right-wingers have a problem with being more inclusive of veterans or people with disabilities, for example. But progress made for those groups is the baby that now gets thrown out with the DEI bathwater.

>The thing about DEI is that people seem to think it’s about giving unjust benefits to some specific groups they don’t like

Which people think that? You're creating your own narrative and then generalizing it to give it legitimacy without any sources or references: "people think that...".

Also, for the sake of the argument, let's assume you're right and a majority of people think like that then that becomes the reality even if you don't like it as that's how democracy works.

If enough people think like that then you as a company have to conform to the market or go bust, you can't change consumers' thoughts and views even though they sure do try a lot.

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Post by mschuster91 »

slt2021 wrote: post #8
tomlockwood wrote: post #2

I don't quite understand what the conservatives think DEI actually is, because as far as I can tell three women being in leadership positions in the LA fire department is "DEI". It just seems like the new "woke" or "political correctness", and just as vague.

>what the conservatives think DEI actually is Speaking as part of a video that aired during a commercial break for the FOX show 9-1-1 about firefighter capabilities, Larson said, "Am I able to carry your husband out of a fire? He got himself in the wrong place" https://www.newsweek.com/lafd-deputy-chief-faces-backlash-pa... DEI means lowering standards to accomodate minorities and discrimination against more qualifie…

> DEI means lowering standards to accomodate minorities and discrimination against more qualified white males

Women are perfectly capable of working in firefighting, the military or police. I've personally seen a female police officer of barely 1.60m throw a drunk 2m Russian dude on a rampage in a bar fight onto the ground and tie him up alone, about a solid third of the volunteer force in my THW unit are women, a good friend of mine is a trained volunteer firefighter at about the same height as the police officer, and the IDF has women in active fighting roles since the 70s, and fully equal to males since 2000 - and look where the IDF is, they are without question the top dog in the MENA region, despite all the cries about women threatening the fighting capability.

"DEI" means opening up the gates for everyone on actual merit. For women, it can sometimes mean having to rely more on skill than on brute strength (as in my first example), but in the end it doesn't matter much.

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Post by nailer »

pavlov wrote: post #5

The thing about DEI is that people seem to think it’s about giving unjust benefits to some specific groups they don’t like, and ignore the fact that it also benefits groups they do like. I don’t think right-wingers have a problem with being more inclusive of veterans or people with disabilities, for example. But progress made for those groups is the baby that now gets thrown out with the DEI bathwater.

The thing about DEI is that it’s racist.

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Post by piva00 »

newsclues wrote: post #9
tomlockwood wrote: post #2

I don't quite understand what the conservatives think DEI actually is, because as far as I can tell three women being in leadership positions in the LA fire department is "DEI". It just seems like the new "woke" or "political correctness", and just as vague.

https://newdiscourses.com/2022/04/dei-explained-new-discours... I think this is a quick explanation. Many people on the left complain about the “old boys club” where “white men” hire each other and control all the power without merit for their authority, and DEI seems to be a way to smash the patriarchal old boys club and enforce the new regime where women, and minorities are in control. Shouldn’t the people be wary…

> Shouldn’t the people be wary of any type of authoritarian cabal?

Yeah, and how do you expect the status quo authoritarian cabal to be dismantled while they are in power?

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Post by tomlockwood »

tomlockwood wrote: post #2

I don't quite understand what the conservatives think DEI actually is, because as far as I can tell three women being in leadership positions in the LA fire department is "DEI". It just seems like the new "woke" or "political correctness", and just as vague.

slt2021 and newsclues you've now posted two wildly different definitions:

* newsclues: "the Woke Marxist DEI industry is a racket designed to install commissars for its ideology"

* slt2021: "DEI means lowering standards to accomodate minorities and discrimination against more qualified white males"

Help me out here.

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Post by nailer »

tomlockwood wrote: post #2

I don't quite understand what the conservatives think DEI actually is, because as far as I can tell three women being in leadership positions in the LA fire department is "DEI". It just seems like the new "woke" or "political correctness", and just as vague.

Nobody thinks women being in leadership in the fire department is DEI. Three lesbians being leaders at the same time though (as happened a few years ago) given the small portion of lesbian firefighters seems indicative of bias.
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