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I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by blueflow »

vkazanov wrote: post #9

While I have been using Linux since 1996 or so, and do have quite an opinionated workflow, I never could agree with this kind of ultraconservative approach to things. History never stops. Things change. Linux changes. Not every day, not every month, but every couple of years something has to go. And that's ok.

> History never stops. Things change. Linux changes.

To the better, right? Right? The last two years yielded so horrible regressions to me that I'm again considering giving up on Linux.

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by doubled112 »

TylerLives wrote: post #7
guax wrote: post #2

Thats a long time to spend in it. Likely stuck trying to quit vim.

He was installing Arch.

Arch is easy to install. I just wrote 200 or so lines of shell scripts to bootstrap it and hand the rest of the setup over to Ansible in a chroot.

/s in case

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by kombine »

vkazanov wrote: post #9

While I have been using Linux since 1996 or so, and do have quite an opinionated workflow, I never could agree with this kind of ultraconservative approach to things. History never stops. Things change. Linux changes. Not every day, not every month, but every couple of years something has to go. And that's ok.

I agree. At some point in the past Unix was also new. There is a time for stability, but also time for changes. In fact, the most popular distributions such as Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora or Arch largely operate on the principles that have not changed since the 90s. There is definitely a space to do things better now. I'm personally excited about GNU Guix, I think is one of the most innovative distributions, just on the basis of its consistency alone. They use a single programming language to implement all aspects of the OS: configuration, system services, packaging. NixOS is obviously another notable one, though it is not as tightly integrated because it still relies systemd and the nix language is quite arcane to use.

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by blueflow »

INTPenis wrote: post #10

This is an article about preferring to use Linux over Windows, not using the Linux console without graphics. The author's screenshots clearly show a GUI. Sorry but this is an important dinstinction to me because I actually know people who insist on using the Linux Console.

"Console" is too generic to be pedantic about it. I mean, the Steam Deck also qualifies as Linux Console...

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by znpy »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #3

> Unfortunately, I'll have to say goodbye to Docker, which isn't available on FreeBSD, They've got podman now:)

> They've got podman now:)

honest question: is it any stable?

I ask because last time I read about podman on FreeBSD it was at like alpha/pre-beta stage of development.

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by blueflow »

anonymousiam wrote: post #16

As a Linux console user since 1991, my biggest disappointment was the removal of console scroll-back (removed in 5.9). One can still use "screen" to to scroll back, but it just isn't the same. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/714692/how-to-scrol...

TIL this was an intentional change. I wondered why it stopped working...

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by the-grump »

blueflow wrote: post #11
vkazanov wrote: post #9

While I have been using Linux since 1996 or so, and do have quite an opinionated workflow, I never could agree with this kind of ultraconservative approach to things. History never stops. Things change. Linux changes. Not every day, not every month, but every couple of years something has to go. And that's ok.

> History never stops. Things change. Linux changes. To the better, right? Right? The last two years yielded so horrible regressions to me that I'm again considering giving up on Linux.

First, what distro are you on?

Second, have you tried windows or macOS recently?

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by Ologn »

I learned how to do some things in a Unix shell in 1989, like cat, sort, uniq, and piping them together. Now it is 2025, and I am still doing those things, on the Linux box I am typing on now, or some servers I log onto, or in the shell of the MacBook Pro I sometimes use.

Whereas I use an IDE to program Android - in 2011 I was using Eclipse with an Android Developer tool plugin. Then in 2014 Android Studio became the favored IDE, so I had to learn a whole new IDE to do what I was doing before. Speaking of my Linux box and MBP, to go to a line in Android Studio with Linux is Control-G, whereas on an MBP it is Command-L ( https://developer.android.com/studio/intro/keyboard-shortcut... ).

Over the years I learned how to do more things (not enough!) with awk, sed, redirecting STDIN, STDOUT and STDERR, various shell things. It is nice as I accumulated this knowledge over 35 years that I can still use it, and it isn't just effectively tossed out like learning Eclipse IDE keybindings was (and mapping them to AS didn't make much sense to me).

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by notpublic »

znpy wrote: post #15
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #3

> Unfortunately, I'll have to say goodbye to Docker, which isn't available on FreeBSD, They've got podman now:)

> They've got podman now:) honest question: is it any stable? I ask because last time I read about podman on FreeBSD it was at like alpha/pre-beta stage of development.

I have been using it for more than a year now in both production and at home. So far so good. Even GPU works out of the box in rootless mode without requiring any special privileges. edit: Redhat in production and Debian at home
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