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Online Behavioral Ads Fuel the Surveillance Industry

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Re: Online Behavioral Ads Fuel the Surveillance Industry

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Even if you were to outlaw the selling of all this sort of data, you're not preventing major players like Google and Microsoft from collecting that data and using it internally. Not sure what the solution is here, but I think most people would like stronger privacy protections.

Preventing the ad bidding data leakage channel from Google to everyone else in the world would be a start at least.

Re: Online Behavioral Ads Fuel the Surveillance Industry

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I've been experimenting with behavioral tracking on a bunch of platforms for a while now, but it's very difficult research - if you come across something interesting, replication is very difficult if not impossible, or sometimes the underlying paradigm will change entirely and force you to start from square 1. My motivation is that I would love, and personally pay a ridiculous amount of money for, a service that obfu…

If enough of us piss into the fire would it make a difference?

Re: Online Behavioral Ads Fuel the Surveillance Industry

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It is not only eminently possible to do high-quality display advertising in a way that respects the viewer’s privacy: it’s easier and cheaper and more reliable.

Intrusive targeting just doesn’t create that much lift. Fairly course demographic n-grams actually optimize better than arbitrary sparsity.

Knowing that this viewer is in such a zip code? Yeah, that can matter. Knowing their address? Those are bits I need to throw away before feeding them to the recommender anyways.

If I’m trying to target ads I want neither the computational burden of the granular data nor the scope for getting hacked.

Re: Online Behavioral Ads Fuel the Surveillance Industry

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I cannot understand how people accept ads. It triggers me so much when I open an article and between every paragraph is an ad and a video fixed to the top/bottom following you as you scroll and they change once the video ends. YT is crazy with their multiple ads unskippable sometimes 30 mins long wtf. Thank you UBO regarding tracking: I guess I don't care about that since I get these updates from Google about where I…

> between every paragraph is an ad and a video fixed to the top/bottom following you as you scroll and they change once the video ends And of course Chrome, Firefox, and Safari don't provide a reliable way to stop those obnoxious auto-playing videos.

Part of that comes down to the ad industry engineering their way around user video playback controls. I’ve heard of them even doing things like displaying video ads as sequences of static image files swapped out with JS.

Re: Online Behavioral Ads Fuel the Surveillance Industry

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The violations that the average human has been unknowingly a victim of, courtesy of the advertising industry, are in my estimation so insurmountably numerous that I automatically consider someone working in advertising ontologically evil. More so than, say, someone working on face recognition at Lockheed Martin.

You remind me of the bill hicks bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h9wStdPkQY

Re: Online Behavioral Ads Fuel the Surveillance Industry

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I cannot understand how people accept ads. It triggers me so much when I open an article and between every paragraph is an ad and a video fixed to the top/bottom following you as you scroll and they change once the video ends. YT is crazy with their multiple ads unskippable sometimes 30 mins long wtf. Thank you UBO regarding tracking: I guess I don't care about that since I get these updates from Google about where I…

I cannot understand why most of "ads" are even legal. It has to be the case of whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.

Re: Online Behavioral Ads Fuel the Surveillance Industry

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I've been experimenting with behavioral tracking on a bunch of platforms for a while now, but it's very difficult research - if you come across something interesting, replication is very difficult if not impossible, or sometimes the underlying paradigm will change entirely and force you to start from square 1. My motivation is that I would love, and personally pay a ridiculous amount of money for, a service that obfu…

If enough of us piss into the fire would it make a difference?

That’s the idea, and I’ve seen speak of it in comments in places like these, but I’m not aware of there being a specific term for it. I call it privacy by obfuscation but that’s kind of boring. It’s easy to start experimenting with to see how invasive it is. Try changing your birthday to under 18 or over 35 if you’re under 35 and see how drastic your ad experience changes across anything you interact with on the web, and how fast it can happen. It’s creepy, but doing an experiment like this has essentially cost someone money, as I am not the person they are targeting. A problem though with this approach is creating any realistic technology that could employ tactics like this without changing the user experience in a way people immediately reject it, and the answer to me is, it’s probably not feasible. But, I keep trying to think about the problem because there probably is some happy middleground. I still believe privacy is possible today.

Re: Online Behavioral Ads Fuel the Surveillance Industry

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I cannot understand how people accept ads. It triggers me so much when I open an article and between every paragraph is an ad and a video fixed to the top/bottom following you as you scroll and they change once the video ends. YT is crazy with their multiple ads unskippable sometimes 30 mins long wtf. Thank you UBO regarding tracking: I guess I don't care about that since I get these updates from Google about where I…

> between every paragraph is an ad and a video fixed to the top/bottom following you as you scroll and they change once the video ends And of course Chrome, Firefox, and Safari don't provide a reliable way to stop those obnoxious auto-playing videos.

I somehow managed to do it completely and flawlessly in Firefox after a day of effort and sheer hate for the fact that checking the box to keep videos from autoplaying didn't keep any videos from autoplaying. I've now forgotten how I did it and I'm afraid to change any config settings. I think I recall some diffing utility for firefox settings that I could hopefully use to figure out what I did.

It burns me up that the fact that I blocked autoplay reliably means that Firefox could do it, they just don't want to.

edit: I might have gotten the settings from a blog, but I have a strong feeling they might have been from combing the firefox bugtracker.

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