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Re: Nvidia releases its own brand of world models

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Post by resource_waste » Thu, Jan 09, 2025, 12:31 PM UTC

The AI race is one of the most impressive examples of Capitalism making the market efficient. Or at least I've witnessed in my life.

We went from Google having complete control. To Open AI releasing GPT2 which really inspired a lot of people to try it. Then GPT3+ convinced the world to try it.

After that, Gemini, LLaMa, every type of fine-tune... The noteworthy thing is that LLaMA was good enough that ChatGPT had competition. Then within 1 year of that, we have a dozen companies with models that are good enough.

The competition has been the best type of brutal.

Re: Nvidia releases its own brand of world models

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Post by betimsl » Thu, Jan 09, 2025, 12:35 PM UTC

thih9 wrote: post #2

> Nvidia wouldn’t say where this training data came from, but at least one report — and lawsuit — alleges that the company trained on copyrighted YouTube videos without permission. Under the EU's AI act[1] there is now a legal obligation to disclose the source of the training data. Is this correct then that either the models cannot be used in the EU, or we'll get to know where the training data came from? [1]: https:…

No problem. If you are in EU, you upload your input to a server located in US, that way EU law can watch you do that.

Re: Nvidia releases its own brand of world models

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Post by bojangleslover » Thu, Jan 09, 2025, 12:35 PM UTC

actionfromafar wrote: post #3

What stops Nvidia from cutting out the middlemen? They have the chips.

https://ngc.nvidia.com/

Re: Nvidia releases its own brand of world models

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Post by prosunpraiser » Thu, Jan 09, 2025, 12:35 PM UTC

thih9 wrote: post #2

> Nvidia wouldn’t say where this training data came from, but at least one report — and lawsuit — alleges that the company trained on copyrighted YouTube videos without permission. Under the EU's AI act[1] there is now a legal obligation to disclose the source of the training data. Is this correct then that either the models cannot be used in the EU, or we'll get to know where the training data came from? [1]: https:…

Unfortunately the solution is quite simple - don’t release in EU.

Re: Nvidia releases its own brand of world models

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Post by betimsl » Thu, Jan 09, 2025, 12:36 PM UTC

actionfromafar wrote: post #3

What stops Nvidia from cutting out the middlemen? They have the chips.

Given they are releasing models, whose to say that they don't have teams working -- not secretly -- just not in the open?

Re: Nvidia releases its own brand of world models

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Post by esperent » Thu, Jan 09, 2025, 12:40 PM UTC

prosunpraiser wrote: post #14

thih9 wrote: post #2

> Nvidia wouldn’t say where this training data came from, but at least one report — and lawsuit — alleges that the company trained on copyrighted YouTube videos without permission. Under the EU's AI act[1] there is now a legal obligation to disclose the source of the training data. Is this correct then that either the models cannot be used in the EU, or we'll get to know where the training data came from? [1]: https:…

Unfortunately the solution is quite simple - don’t release in EU.

People keep saying this, but I've yet to see a company follow through.

Re: Nvidia releases its own brand of world models

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Post by dns_snek » Thu, Jan 09, 2025, 12:41 PM UTC

betimsl wrote: post #12

thih9 wrote: post #2

> Nvidia wouldn’t say where this training data came from, but at least one report — and lawsuit — alleges that the company trained on copyrighted YouTube videos without permission. Under the EU's AI act[1] there is now a legal obligation to disclose the source of the training data. Is this correct then that either the models cannot be used in the EU, or we'll get to know where the training data came from? [1]: https:…

No problem. If you are in EU, you upload your input to a server located in US, that way EU law can watch you do that.

> This Regulation applies to:

> (a) providers placing on the market or putting into service AI systems or placing on the market general-purpose AI models in the Union, irrespective of whether those providers are established or located within the Union or in a third country;

Re: Nvidia releases its own brand of world models

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Post by jsheard » Thu, Jan 09, 2025, 12:42 PM UTC

resource_waste wrote: post #11

The AI race is one of the most impressive examples of Capitalism making the market efficient. Or at least I've witnessed in my life. We went from Google having complete control. To Open AI releasing GPT2 which really inspired a lot of people to try it. Then GPT3+ convinced the world to try it. After that, Gemini, LLaMa, every type of fine-tune... The noteworthy thing is that LLaMA was good enough that ChatGPT had com…

Can it really be called efficient in the capitalist sense until they figure out how to actually turn this stuff into a viable business? Apparently OpenAI is even losing money on the new $200/month tier.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sam-altman-says-losing-money-...

Re: Nvidia releases its own brand of world models

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Post by redeux » Thu, Jan 09, 2025, 12:43 PM UTC

betimsl wrote: post #12

thih9 wrote: post #2

> Nvidia wouldn’t say where this training data came from, but at least one report — and lawsuit — alleges that the company trained on copyrighted YouTube videos without permission. Under the EU's AI act[1] there is now a legal obligation to disclose the source of the training data. Is this correct then that either the models cannot be used in the EU, or we'll get to know where the training data came from? [1]: https:…

No problem. If you are in EU, you upload your input to a server located in US, that way EU law can watch you do that.

That would not work. It's the company who's responsible for compliance with EU laws and regulations in this case, not the user. So, if the company allows EU users they are de facto operating in the EU and thus out of compliance with the training data transparency law cited above.

Re: Nvidia releases its own brand of world models

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Post by bberenberg » Thu, Jan 09, 2025, 12:45 PM UTC

jsheard wrote: post #18

resource_waste wrote: post #11

The AI race is one of the most impressive examples of Capitalism making the market efficient. Or at least I've witnessed in my life. We went from Google having complete control. To Open AI releasing GPT2 which really inspired a lot of people to try it. Then GPT3+ convinced the world to try it. After that, Gemini, LLaMa, every type of fine-tune... The noteworthy thing is that LLaMA was good enough that ChatGPT had com…

Can it really be called efficient in the capitalist sense until they figure out how to actually turn this stuff into a viable business? Apparently OpenAI is even losing money on the new $200/month tier. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sam-altman-says-losing-money-...

I believe they’re profitable on all unit economics other than the $200/month tier. The users who opt into this are the absolute “highest” users so you end up with an adverse selection issue with this plan.