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NYC Congestion Pricing Set to Take Effect After Years of Delays

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Post by addicted »

addicted wrote: post #10
RainyDayTmrw wrote: post #8

An important piece of context, which might not be immediately apparent from this discussion, is that a vast majority of people in and around New York City dislike and distrust the MTA (NYC's public transit organization) to an extreme extent[3][4]. People widely view the MTA as ineffective and its spending as suspect. The MTA has more than doubled fares in recent years[1][2], yet has nothing to show for it. So, when a…

> The MTA has more than doubled fares in recent years[1][2], yet has nothing to show for it. The current MTA fare is $2.90. For it to be more than doubled it needs to have been lower than $1.45. The last time the fare was lower than $1.45 was 1995. That’s hardly “recent years”. Cumulative inflation since 1995 has been 107%, so basically the MTA hasn’t increased inflation adjusted fares since at least 1995.

It’s also weird to use the 2nd Avenue extension as an example of achieving nothing when the 2nd Avenue subway extension failed for nearly a 100 years and was successfully built a decade ago after that 100 year history of failure.

Re: NYC Congestion Pricing Set to Take Effect After Years of Delays

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Post by addicted »

RainyDayTmrw wrote: post #8

An important piece of context, which might not be immediately apparent from this discussion, is that a vast majority of people in and around New York City dislike and distrust the MTA (NYC's public transit organization) to an extreme extent[3][4]. People widely view the MTA as ineffective and its spending as suspect. The MTA has more than doubled fares in recent years[1][2], yet has nothing to show for it. So, when a…

[3] shows increasing satisfaction across the board as the system recovers since the issues caused due to the pandemic. Further, most of the concerns lie around perceptions and fears of safety, which is a broader citywide (and nationwide) issue than something limited to the MTA.

The MTA has a lot of issues, but frankly they’re doing a good job addressing some of them. For example, independent analysis of the high costs around the 2nd Ave subway extension found that part of the high costs were because of stations being unnecessarily deep. The MTA incorporated changes based on those analysis in the next phase of the extension and has already reduced costs by over half a billion as a result.

Similarly, the MTA changed its Sandy recovery plan for the L line tunnel fixes to both complete the changes faster and at a significantly reduced cost saving tens if not hundreds of millions, and avoiding 100% closures.

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Post by davidf18 »

RainyDayTmrw wrote: post #8

An important piece of context, which might not be immediately apparent from this discussion, is that a vast majority of people in and around New York City dislike and distrust the MTA (NYC's public transit organization) to an extreme extent[3][4]. People widely view the MTA as ineffective and its spending as suspect. The MTA has more than doubled fares in recent years[1][2], yet has nothing to show for it. So, when a…

The MTA costs only $162/28d full fare and seniors and others get it for half that. I conveniently pay by swiping my Apple Watch. This is for transfers throughout the entire system. Compare with the price of Washington DC, a far, far smaller system than NYC and compared with other US cities. Moreover, the NYC subways do not stop at night like almost all world subway systems.

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Post by rsynnott »

Ancalagon wrote: post #2

Is this not a very regressive tax? No billionaire in manhattan is going to feel this but every single cab driver, or blue collar worker will have to deal with this.

… Wait, how many blue collar workers are commuting to Manhattan by car? Where on earth are they parking?

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Post by SJetKaran »

freditup wrote: post #18
SJetKaran wrote: post #15

My only issue with congestion pricing right now is that there is no revenue sharing with NJ Transit

Apparently NJ turned down an offer of $100M+ per year: https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2024/12/18/nj-refusing-generous-...

Yeah, unfortunate
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