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Tesla replaced laid off US workers using H-1B visas

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Re: Tesla replaced laid off US workers using H-1B visas

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

rmk wrote: post #7

Article does not give a single specific example of a senior engineer laid off in order to hire a (cheaper and more pliant) junior engineer. Is that so hard to do? There is a claim that every department was affected, but again, no specifics. Were H-1Bs hired to replace people across departments, or were they hired in specific departments? Looks like someone just decided to pick USCIS numbers in support of their argume…

Oh, please.

Elon has literally been calling Americans lazy and explicitly calls out a desire for expanding H1B programs to replace American workers.

When he lays off thousands of workers and then requests over 2,000 H1Bs, it's simply bad faith to try to claim "Well, you can't prove the H1Bs are replacing the workers that got laid off!"

The Pyrrhonian Skeptic act of "WELL YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE" just makes you look foolish. It's obvious what's going on, and acting like you don't doesn't make you look smart.

Re: Tesla replaced laid off US workers using H-1B visas

#12

Post by snypher »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #11
rmk wrote: post #7

Article does not give a single specific example of a senior engineer laid off in order to hire a (cheaper and more pliant) junior engineer. Is that so hard to do? There is a claim that every department was affected, but again, no specifics. Were H-1Bs hired to replace people across departments, or were they hired in specific departments? Looks like someone just decided to pick USCIS numbers in support of their argume…

Oh, please. Elon has literally been calling Americans lazy and explicitly calls out a desire for expanding H1B programs to replace American workers. When he lays off thousands of workers and then requests over 2,000 H1Bs, it's simply bad faith to try to claim "Well, you can't prove the H1Bs are replacing the workers that got laid off!" The Pyrrhonian Skeptic act of "WELL YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE" just makes you look f…

I'd like to know why it seems that there are so many people who work free PR for Elon Musk or his companies. Some netizens go above and beyond to contradict anything negative posted about him/them, to the extent of disregarding any factual information. What do people gain from being so contrary, or, so supportive of some guy?

Re: Tesla replaced laid off US workers using H-1B visas

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Post by penjelly »

snypher wrote: post #12
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, please. Elon has literally been calling Americans lazy and explicitly calls out a desire for expanding H1B programs to replace American workers. When he lays off thousands of workers and then requests over 2,000 H1Bs, it's simply bad faith to try to claim "Well, you can't prove the H1Bs are replacing the workers that got laid off!" The Pyrrhonian Skeptic act of "WELL YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE" just makes you look f…

I'd like to know why it seems that there are so many people who work free PR for Elon Musk or his companies. Some netizens go above and beyond to contradict anything negative posted about him/them, to the extent of disregarding any factual information. What do people gain from being so contrary, or, so supportive of some guy?

they might own tesla stock.

Re: Tesla replaced laid off US workers using H-1B visas

#14

Post by rmk »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #11
rmk wrote: post #7

Article does not give a single specific example of a senior engineer laid off in order to hire a (cheaper and more pliant) junior engineer. Is that so hard to do? There is a claim that every department was affected, but again, no specifics. Were H-1Bs hired to replace people across departments, or were they hired in specific departments? Looks like someone just decided to pick USCIS numbers in support of their argume…

Oh, please. Elon has literally been calling Americans lazy and explicitly calls out a desire for expanding H1B programs to replace American workers. When he lays off thousands of workers and then requests over 2,000 H1Bs, it's simply bad faith to try to claim "Well, you can't prove the H1Bs are replacing the workers that got laid off!" The Pyrrhonian Skeptic act of "WELL YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE" just makes you look f…

Whether I am trying to look smart or not is irrelevant. The article fails to be convincing at even a most basic level. By your logic, no company that hires H-1Bs is free to do layoffs, including of people in auxiliary functions that do not call for high-skill, limited-supply workers, which is absurd.

Re: Tesla replaced laid off US workers using H-1B visas

#16

Post by bdangubic »

rawgabbit wrote: post #9
pedalpete wrote: post #6

Without any numbers to this, it is meaningless. "Some" could be 2 H1B visas and there is nothing to say these people were laid off in order to hire 2 new people. But, I guess bandwagoners are going to bandwagon.

The article said 15000 were laid of in April and at the same time 2000 H1B visas were requested.

very optimistic to assume commenter actually read the post :)

Re: Tesla replaced laid off US workers using H-1B visas

#17

Post by gscott »

rmk wrote: post #14
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, please. Elon has literally been calling Americans lazy and explicitly calls out a desire for expanding H1B programs to replace American workers. When he lays off thousands of workers and then requests over 2,000 H1Bs, it's simply bad faith to try to claim "Well, you can't prove the H1Bs are replacing the workers that got laid off!" The Pyrrhonian Skeptic act of "WELL YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE" just makes you look f…

Whether I am trying to look smart or not is irrelevant. The article fails to be convincing at even a most basic level. By your logic, no company that hires H-1Bs is free to do layoffs, including of people in auxiliary functions that do not call for high-skill, limited-supply workers, which is absurd.

It expects readers to have common sense.

Re: Tesla replaced laid off US workers using H-1B visas

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

rmk wrote: post #14
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, please. Elon has literally been calling Americans lazy and explicitly calls out a desire for expanding H1B programs to replace American workers. When he lays off thousands of workers and then requests over 2,000 H1Bs, it's simply bad faith to try to claim "Well, you can't prove the H1Bs are replacing the workers that got laid off!" The Pyrrhonian Skeptic act of "WELL YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE" just makes you look f…

Whether I am trying to look smart or not is irrelevant. The article fails to be convincing at even a most basic level. By your logic, no company that hires H-1Bs is free to do layoffs, including of people in auxiliary functions that do not call for high-skill, limited-supply workers, which is absurd.

Come off it already. Collect and examine the evidence:

- Elon says he wants to replace American workers with H1Bs

- Tesla lays off 15,000 people across all departments, including engineering

- Tesla applies for 2,405 H1Bs

Sure, we don't have a spreadsheet that says "Bob has been replaced by Raj", but pretending the dots don't connect is willful blindness. Acting like this is some wild coincidence isn't the clever gotcha you think it is.

Like...if I tell you, "My hobby is stealing catalytic converters", and the next day, several cars in my neighborhood are suddenly missing their CCs and a stack of CCs that match all the models of my neighbors' cars and have clearly been sawed off appears in my garage, it's gonna be pretty obvious what happened. Gonna have a hard time with the "It's all coincidental" defense.

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