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Bluesky and Enshittification

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Re: Bluesky and Enshittification

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Blue skies darken, lightning flashes, thunder rolls.

It's raining armies of trolls. Forests burn down. Cities drown.

The storm howls.

The wheel of time is moving on, over landscapes barren.

New stars rising, promises of another sun.

Masses warren.

The circle repeats, excitment, fun.

Critical mass reached, trust breached, trigger of the gun.

Another bunnie screeched...

Re: Bluesky and Enshittification

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I wasn't aware before 2004 so saying "platform independence" makes my head roll incredulously. But that's probably because the first things I think of are exclusive games and pre-streaming times movies and shows, although I always suspected that there must be some rich peoples TV & Radio that the rest of the us never gets to see or hear ^^ ... Anyways. The industries can't build platform independent anymore. That's w…

> The industries can't build platform independent anymore. The rest of your comment stems from that one sentence which is an unfounded assertion built upon an unstated assumption. If you really believe that then this conversation is irrelevant because the platforms are, generally, private commercial enterprises that should modify their terms and delete your accounts as necessary to increase their revenue while you ha…

Nice.

How much does a bunch of self-taught coders or students cost, who can proof to you that they can self-host for you?

How would a salesman convince you that's a bad idea?

Why do agencies immediately put you on all platforms? Who anchored this and why?

You want exposure. Where to find that exposure? Why would users/customers get on your self-hosted platform? How would they find it?

What priorities do these platforms have? Short-, mid-, long-term?

Re: Bluesky and Enshittification

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I feel, intuitively, that they might make sense if they pay attention to Bluesky. The general tenor of these postings is "Bluesky will turn to shit because […explanation…] ", where the explanation ignores the work done by the Bluesky team. The authors write as though the Bluesky team has never heard about enshittification, or hasn't thought about it or about how to cope. That's unreal, and an unreal premise never lea…

I think the author Cory Doctrow (who is actually a published author) laid out his case quite clearly. He doesn't question the intentions or sincerity of the BlueSky team. But from past experience he is not confident that will be enough. We have all been there before. (I am old enough to remember when the likes of Google, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. held themselves to similarly lofty ideals and standards.) But…

He doesn't question the intentions or sincerity, agreed, but he also doesn't discuss their actions AFAICT. He writes as if Bluesky's actions cannot affect the future of the service.

It seems to me that the Bluesky team is painting the company into a corner, where it'll be able to make a nice profit from a nice service, but can't grow to hire 7000 people, have a 500-strong HR team or a ten-digit valuation.

Re: Bluesky and Enshittification

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I feel, intuitively, that they might make sense if they pay attention to Bluesky. The general tenor of these postings is "Bluesky will turn to shit because […explanation…] ", where the explanation ignores the work done by the Bluesky team. The authors write as though the Bluesky team has never heard about enshittification, or hasn't thought about it or about how to cope. That's unreal, and an unreal premise never lea…

...hasn't thought about it or about how to cope. Or maybe they have thought about --- and intend to deal with it in pretty much the same way as all their predecessors. Bluesky is up to their ass in venture capital funding. Ignoring this fact and presuming some viable, unknown/unspoken alternative exists to defy the forces of capitalism they are in bed with is unreal, and an unreal premise never leads to insightful co…

They've been open about how to deal with it — and do not intend to deal with it in pretty much the same way as all their predecessors.

Re: Bluesky and Enshittification

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...hasn't thought about it or about how to cope. Or maybe they have thought about --- and intend to deal with it in pretty much the same way as all their predecessors. Bluesky is up to their ass in venture capital funding. Ignoring this fact and presuming some viable, unknown/unspoken alternative exists to defy the forces of capitalism they are in bed with is unreal, and an unreal premise never leads to insightful co…

They've been open about how to deal with it — and do not intend to deal with it in pretty much the same way as all their predecessors.

"They" are subject to being replaced --- in which case, everything "they" say now may no longer hold true.

The reality is that the venture capitalists they are in bed with will push for maximum return on their investment.

History suggests that at some point, the VCs will most likely win and the slide toward enshittification begins.

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