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Deepfakes weaponised to target Pakistan's women leaders

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Re: Deepfakes weaponised to target Pakistan's women leaders

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Post by zamadatix »

nox101 wrote: post #10
isr wrote: post #8

Just FYI, to those not in Pakistan who might not be aware. The minister mentioned in the article (yes, deepfakes are a form of sexual criminality!), is a direct underling of another female chief minister (who won despite her party receiving less than 20% of the votes - yay military rigging) who ... get this ... runs an extortion ring where 100s of judges, politicians etc are honey trapped & copious videos are made. S…

deepfakes are not a form of sexual criminality. Gees Thought Police here we come!

Whether deepfakes are or are not a form of sexual criminality is an absolute based on the jurisdiction. Either it is a crime there or it isn't. That's independent of whether or not individuals or the population agree it should be, whether it's moral, whether it's seen as overreaching, or any other consideration beyond what the law there says.

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Post by nox101 »

zamadatix wrote: post #11
nox101 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

deepfakes are not a form of sexual criminality. Gees Thought Police here we come!

Whether deepfakes are or are not a form of sexual criminality is an absolute based on the jurisdiction. Either it is a crime there or it isn't. That's independent of whether or not individuals or the population agree it should be, whether it's moral, whether it's seen as overreaching, or any other consideration beyond what the law there says.

Yea, sure, being gay or having anal sex, is still a crime too in some places.

We can argue it shouldn't be considered a crime and I'd argue deepfakes should not be a crime. I'd also argue considering them so is close to "thought police".

And, I'd argue fighting them is a losing cause. They get easier and easier to make daily. Lots of papers at the most recent Siggraph on how to take a single photo and turn it into an deepfake, oh, I mean avatar for a game, model for virtual clothes fitting, etc...

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Post by _-_-__-_-_- »

I would say creating sexual, pornographic or depicting criminal acts with AI generated images and videos using photographs and media of a person without their consent is morally wrong. It will however, only get easier to create and manipulate images. It is going to become automatic and the barriers to entry will be reduced. The social default will be to assume that everything is a AI generated or manipulated. It will not matter if the content is real.

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Post by para_parolu »

_-_-__-_-_- wrote: post #13

I would say creating sexual, pornographic or depicting criminal acts with AI generated images and videos using photographs and media of a person without their consent is morally wrong. It will however, only get easier to create and manipulate images. It is going to become automatic and the barriers to entry will be reduced. The social default will be to assume that everything is a AI generated or manipulated. It will…

We basically get back to pre-photo era, when all you access your information based on credibility of messenger.

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Post by chii »

xhevahir wrote: post #3

They say that "media literacy is poor" in Pakistan but it's not at all clear that education would solve the problem. We've seen in more "media-literate" countries a free-floating distrust of media of all kinds that is exacerbated by the keener awareness of deceptive techniques. Niklas Luhmann has written about this "suspicion of manipulation:" https://monoskop.org/images/6/6c/Luhmann_Niklas_The_Reality_...

The fact that advertising works, despite many claiming they're not susceptible to it, is good evidence that media manipulation works amazingly well - even to people who think they understand and would not be manipulated.

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Post by chii »

para_parolu wrote: post #14
_-_-__-_-_- wrote: post #13

I would say creating sexual, pornographic or depicting criminal acts with AI generated images and videos using photographs and media of a person without their consent is morally wrong. It will however, only get easier to create and manipulate images. It is going to become automatic and the barriers to entry will be reduced. The social default will be to assume that everything is a AI generated or manipulated. It will…

We basically get back to pre-photo era, when all you access your information based on credibility of messenger.

or for photos, only film evidence can be admitted. Digital content (or even digitized content, unless there's a film backup), is inadmissable.

Re: Deepfakes weaponised to target Pakistan's women leaders

#17

Post by estebank »

chii wrote: post #16
para_parolu wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We basically get back to pre-photo era, when all you access your information based on credibility of messenger.

or for photos, only film evidence can be admitted. Digital content (or even digitized content, unless there's a film backup), is inadmissable.

Making film backed images from edited digital pictures is not beyond the ability of a motivated individual, let alone a state entity. Even something as rudimentary as a film camera pointed at a slightly out of focus 4k screen can be made believable, specially in a film stock with heavy grain.

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Post by chii »

estebank wrote: post #17
chii wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

or for photos, only film evidence can be admitted. Digital content (or even digitized content, unless there's a film backup), is inadmissable.

Making film backed images from edited digital pictures is not beyond the ability of a motivated individual, let alone a state entity. Even something as rudimentary as a film camera pointed at a slightly out of focus 4k screen can be made believable, specially in a film stock with heavy grain.

I guess if you have enough resources, faking something is possible. But making it expensive means fewer people could do it. The advent of ai and ease of doing so is what is dangerous.

Perhaps images taken in the future by digital cameras need to come with an IR depth map as well, which would make it harder to fake.

Re: Deepfakes weaponised to target Pakistan's women leaders

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Post by jimjimwii »

nox101 wrote: post #10
isr wrote: post #8

Just FYI, to those not in Pakistan who might not be aware. The minister mentioned in the article (yes, deepfakes are a form of sexual criminality!), is a direct underling of another female chief minister (who won despite her party receiving less than 20% of the votes - yay military rigging) who ... get this ... runs an extortion ring where 100s of judges, politicians etc are honey trapped & copious videos are made. S…

deepfakes are not a form of sexual criminality. Gees Thought Police here we come!

To me, its just another form of fiction. Its as much a crime as writing a story where you base a character in it on someone you know, and subject that character to sexual acts. Sure its depraved, but it doesn't pass the criminality threshold for me, not by a long shot.

And no, i do not see the use of real photos and video to be material to this specific discussion.

I think this issue is a great way to evaluate the values and integrity of a society.

Re: Deepfakes weaponised to target Pakistan's women leaders

#20

Post by emporas »

_-_-__-_-_- wrote: post #13

I would say creating sexual, pornographic or depicting criminal acts with AI generated images and videos using photographs and media of a person without their consent is morally wrong. It will however, only get easier to create and manipulate images. It is going to become automatic and the barriers to entry will be reduced. The social default will be to assume that everything is a AI generated or manipulated. It will…

I would say using goggles/glasses which undress everyone you see on the street is not morally wrong. How about recording and uploading it somewhere?

Also, not having statues of naked women and/or naked men in public streets is morally wrong.

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