As a duckduckgo user, I think this is great. FWIW, Perl is still on my list to learn :) edit: fixed spelling
Perl is maybe the most enjoyable language I've ever coded in up until I'm forced to read someone else's code which is always hellish.
DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation
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#12OT: Craigslist is also built on Perl and hired Larry Wall (creator) years ago.
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#14A: This is great! Perl is much maligned but a fantastic Swiss army chainsaw and still runs so much critical infrastructure. B: I find it concerning that $25k is a notable donation; is the Foundation doing that poorly? I would have hoped this number to have two more digits in it for it to be a front page worthy item.
Here's some details about the foundation's financials - https://blogs.perl.org/users/makoto_nozaki/2024/10/understan...
So yeah, they’re doing rough…
Not sure what the path out here is? Seems like either finding deep pockets that care about their work or some new revenue stream, but without the cash to fund it I’m not sure how.
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#15A: This is great! Perl is much maligned but a fantastic Swiss army chainsaw and still runs so much critical infrastructure. B: I find it concerning that $25k is a notable donation; is the Foundation doing that poorly? I would have hoped this number to have two more digits in it for it to be a front page worthy item.
Regarding B: This tracks with what I've observed in this regard, namely that sponsoring by companies just doesn't work well as business model even for projects where you would assume that it should. The incentives are just not working out, and it seems impossible to mobilize even a fraction of the sums for OSS-donations than what companies burn for much less critical aspects of their operation than OSS tools/libraries/components (or waste outright).
Open source is largely a thing because lots of people voluntarily invest (valuable!) time on their own in my opinion (with corporate sponsorship being almost negligible by comparison).
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#16A: This is great! Perl is much maligned but a fantastic Swiss army chainsaw and still runs so much critical infrastructure. B: I find it concerning that $25k is a notable donation; is the Foundation doing that poorly? I would have hoped this number to have two more digits in it for it to be a front page worthy item.
I'm surprised to learn that Perl is still used. Obviously there will always be legacy code to maintain but these days I can't even remember the last time Perl was mentioned in casual conversation amongst my peers unless we're sharing war stories from the 90s.
These days when we find ourselves needing to write a script our first go-to would be bash, and if we need more features or if it's going to be complex enough to have to worry about maintenance costs we'd probably reach for python.
TIL that there is a non-profit foundation that focuses, in part, on supporting Perl. That surprises me to the same extent that I would be surprised to learn that there is a foundation aimed at supporting VB6 (though now watch someone is going to share that there is).
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here's some details about the foundation's financials - https://blogs.perl.org/users/makoto_nozaki/2024/10/understan...
So yeah, they’re doing rough… Not sure what the path out here is? Seems like either finding deep pockets that care about their work or some new revenue stream, but without the cash to fund it I’m not sure how.
Stop doing it for free it the only way, OSS projects that rely on donations almost always do badly economically
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#18As a duckduckgo user, I think this is great. FWIW, Perl is still on my list to learn :) edit: fixed spelling
Perl is maybe the most enjoyable language I've ever coded in up until I'm forced to read someone else's code which is always hellish.
Programming is an individual activity; developing software is a social activity. Current tools and teaching are still biased in favor of the former, resulting in most of our troubles in the latter.
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#19As a duckduckgo user, I think this is great. FWIW, Perl is still on my list to learn :) edit: fixed spelling
Perl is maybe the most enjoyable language I've ever coded in up until I'm forced to read someone else's code which is always hellish.
As a perl programmer from decades past (I transitioned to Java during the perl 6 winter), I've been finding that groovy and even more recently scala are really nice tools for what I'd have traditionally done in perl.
When doing this year's advent of code, some of the terseness of symbols reminded me of perl.
Perl lost me and I transitioned too far away from its ecosystem professionally to return for more than a dalliance or occasional debugging ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16219876 ).