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A federal policy change in the 1980s created the modern food desert

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Re: A federal policy change in the 1980s created the modern food desert

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Maybe big businesses and economy of scale did help the American consumer, have you checked in on the eurozone lately? Has the Chicago school of economics been repudiated? It certainly has its faults but so did antitrust regulations from the 50’s

Re: A federal policy change in the 1980s created the modern food desert

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One thing the article doesn't explain well: why aren't any of the other chains competing with the UnSafeway near Deanwood? Even if it doesn't make sense for the chains to open a store in Deanwood proper, why aren't they competing where all the traffic is going?

Re: A federal policy change in the 1980s created the modern food desert

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Its kind of interesting if Walmart and/or Costco has squeezed prices so low that you could potentially use it as the basis for informal neighborhood bulk buying co-op. Like an Uber app which coordinated grocery buying and splitting up bulk packaged foods into smaller purchase sizes.

Re: A federal policy change in the 1980s created the modern food desert

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Its kind of interesting if Walmart and/or Costco has squeezed prices so low that you could potentially use it as the basis for informal neighborhood bulk buying co-op. Like an Uber app which coordinated grocery buying and splitting up bulk packaged foods into smaller purchase sizes.

I believe that's a thing for alibaba already

Re: A federal policy change in the 1980s created the modern food desert

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Reagan, Clinton, and Bush Jr are the 3 presidents that have obliterated the working class.

Unrestrained capitalism creates monopolies and those 3 presidents created an environment for monopolies to flourish.

Reagan started things off by deregulating businesses and rewarding big business for "efficiency". Which really just translated into big businesses buying out the competition and jacking up the prices.

Clinton continued a trend primarily by dismantling and privatizing the federal government. That lead to giant Quazi-government businesses that have little to no competition and ultimately bring the worst of all worlds. The rollout of the ACA marketplaces is a prime example of what that capture looks like, a sub sub sub sub sub contracted and ultimately outsourced project that was riddled with bugs costing millions to create when literally if the fed gov had a team of software devs employed (perhaps some of the devs from the DOD?) it would have cost far less and would have actually worked.

Bush then caused a crisis in funding by dishing out huge tax cuts. Those tax cuts (especially around capital gains) essentially encouraged the hording of wealth while simultaneously with Clinton's privatization of social programs caused a crisis in the federal budget. Couple that with 2 giant boondoggle wars where we effectively dumped trillions of dollars into defense companies to later abandon our purchases in the desert. Defense companies, I might add, that shouldn't exist as their only client is the US government. Why should we be funding 4 or 5 companies to build weapons for the US military? Why can't the US military build its own weapons? Why should we be purchasing wasted tanks with generals literally begging the US government to stop buying equipment? I would much rather that money go to something like UBI, food stamps, or SS/Medicare instead of being the most inefficient way to make jobs. Heck, we could dump that money into free public education and R&D to make sure we aren't falling behind technically without producing weapons that will sit unused.

Re: A federal policy change in the 1980s created the modern food desert

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Once again, much of the state of America can be summarized as "this awful experience is a direct result of the Reagan administration, but most people don't realize it".

If only a democrat majority had been elected at any point in the last 40 years that could have fixed this.

The article even makes it sound like the law is still on the books, just not being enforced. Pretty sure enforcing the laws is the responsibility of the executive branch, isn't it? So it's not like any big combined majority action would be necessary, just an executive who said, "We enforce this now."

I'd like to think the article left out some important context that I'm now missing, because it'd sure be a weird thing to complain about from a partisan perspective if it could have been solved with the stroke of a pen.

Re: A federal policy change in the 1980s created the modern food desert

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Once again, much of the state of America can be summarized as "this awful experience is a direct result of the Reagan administration, but most people don't realize it".

If only a democrat majority had been elected at any point in the last 40 years that could have fixed this.

> If only a democrat majority had been elected at any point in the last 40 years that could have fixed this.

I think that thinking of it this way shifts the blame unduly; it's not like Republicans as well as Democrats don't bear the blame for continuing harmful policies, just because those policies were instituted by Republicans. As to Democrats, the first Democratic administration that was elected after Reagan did so by running away from many traditional Democratic priorities, and both other Democratic administrations had to deal with a recalcitrant Congress for at least a substantial portion of their time in office.

Even if they hadn't, though, I think that the general fact is that it's much easier to create problems quickly than to fix them quickly, so that the idea that any administration, even a 2-term one with a hypothetical cooperative Congress, could undo such changes (as opposed to just starting to undo them) isn't plausible—or, if it could be done, then it would surely be as all-consuming of political capital as the ACA was, at the expense of pursuing any of that administration's other priorities—and being able to pursue a longer-term solution would require electoral patience with political promises that weren't accompanied by immediate delivery.

Re: A federal policy change in the 1980s created the modern food desert

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Once again, much of the state of America can be summarized as "this awful experience is a direct result of the Reagan administration, but most people don't realize it".

If only a democrat majority had been elected at any point in the last 40 years that could have fixed this.

Democrats have not had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate since before Reagan, and they're constantly up against the asymmetry that breaking things is a lot easier than building them. The side that wants government not to work has a huge structural advantage in any argument (even apart from their structural electoral advantages thanks to letting empty fields carry as much weight as cities) since they "win" by default.

It only takes a few years or even months of Republican rule to install judges that will deem any regulations unconstitutional, to allow time-bounded authorizations to lapse, to fire large numbers of public servants who keep the administrative state running, or simply to use the bully pulpit to tarnish the reputation of federal bureaucracy so that individuals will refuse to interact with them. Building those institutions as credible, competent forces takes somewhere between years and lifetimes.

Re: A federal policy change in the 1980s created the modern food desert

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Once again, much of the state of America can be summarized as "this awful experience is a direct result of the Reagan administration, but most people don't realize it".

If only a democrat majority had been elected at any point in the last 40 years that could have fixed this.

Democrats are too busy trying to convince the american public that they are actually republicans for some weird reason.

Re: A federal policy change in the 1980s created the modern food desert

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Consumers vote with their wallets that they prefer the big box stores. Reagan removed bargaining restrictions on big box stores, which lowered prices.

Bad or good for consumers?

Does it matter if you need to drive 8 or 11 miles (non-desert vs. desert) to buy boxed cereals and processed food?

CostCo rides the same dynamic, at scale. CostCo deserts?

Want to fix it, HN-style? Create a startup! But more regulation? Ffs.

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