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Agile Is Dead

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Re: Agile Is Dead

#11

> It's for those who believe that skilled engineers are the true drivers of innovation and creators of meaningful products. Maybe the only thing I feel iffy about here. Just feels a bit naïve, I've worked together with some really talented designers. Also worked with some really talented product owners. Can't say I've agreed with every marketer/PR person I've worked with but they've saved our ass a few times. While I…

Absolutely, I love working with great designers / markets / etc.

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#12
I’ve never been a fan of Agile, but I find this rant superficial and crude.

My first thought was: I would never want to work with someone who writes a rant like this. Because to me it shows a lack of empathy and self-awareness, I miss any sense or the slightest hint of humility.

Maybe the same can be said of this remark, that’s for you to decide.

Re: Agile Is Dead

#13
The old manifesto is fine, isn't it?

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Individuals and interactions -- over processes and tools

Working software -- over comprehensive documentation

Customer collaboration -- over contract negotiation

Responding to change -- over following a plan

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I still like it. The problem is not the lack of a good manifesto, is that people don't get it.

Anyway, I like that someone else apart from me is thinking about these things! I don't know, maybe we do need a new manifesto to shake things up.

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#14
I don't really see a real proposal on this site for something better, besides basically "just let the engineers do it" -- which sort of ignores the fact that lots of software is boring business line software where engineers are not SMEs on the usage, and lots of engineers don't want to spend their time becoming SMEs on the business rules of an ERP or a CRM.

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#15
“We're drowning under the weight of clueless product leads, managers, and owners who've never written a line of code, yet they somehow dictate how software should be built.”

We’ve been through that, you leave coders alone without management and the create a new game engine with custom scripting language and state-of-the-art rendering pipeline and no games to go with it and then they get sad

(I’m only half joking to illustrate the point that extreme points of view are often silly)

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#16

I’ve never been a fan of Agile, but I find this rant superficial and crude. My first thought was: I would never want to work with someone who writes a rant like this. Because to me it shows a lack of empathy and self-awareness, I miss any sense or the slightest hint of humility. Maybe the same can be said of this remark, that’s for you to decide.

Same. I agree with most of what is said, but this is terrible way to deliver it.

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#17
> The "agile" development we're stuck with today is a joke

Are we really? The whole industry has moved on a good 10 years ago.

If you feel stuck with agile, you should probably change job.

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#18

When I hear about Agile these days, it's almost always an excuse not to do the right thing. The last time it came up was someone resisting defining our company's product delivery process, which has always suffered from a lack of clarity. The time before that, it was someone saying "Let's be Agile about this", but meaning "let's do a shitty version of this, and pretend we'll come back to it later, rather than just mov…

To a lot of folk, that's a feature! Capital A "Agile" is just sort of a pointer to "ayyy you've heard of other companies doing this" in a lot of people's minds.

I think we'd end up doing this no matter what. If it wasn't "agile" it would be "brisk methodology" or "go-minded development" or something. The reality is people sort of just like having hand-wavy terms that they definitely know other people have heard before, but have been given an ever shifting definition for.

To that point, I've started hearing people say "kanban" or "iterative planning", explicitly as opposition to agile. Yet, there are no actual changes to the process. All the people are still here, doing the same jobs with newly renamed meetings of the same length. But we are "fighting the agile lie" because we don't say agile!

IMO, teams figure out what works for them. Totally agree that methodologies are worth being skeptical about. If you hire sharp smart folks, they figure out a stable way of working. Muddling along isn't that bad if you have smart people muddling!

Re: Agile Is Dead

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post #17

> The "agile" development we're stuck with today is a joke Are we really? The whole industry has moved on a good 10 years ago. If you feel stuck with agile, you should probably change job.

Moved on to ... what?

Re: Agile Is Dead

#20
Dumb shits misapplying Agile because "we do standups" are dead. The entire point is and always has been to get the right people working on the right stuff in such a way that they can validate their assumptions and get customer feedback as soon as possible. Not how well you "do Scrum," "increase your velocity," or any of that trash. But actually applying these concepts breaks some managers' brains, and then we get the toxic crap people rant about.

The fundamental assumptions behind Agile are as valid as they were 25 years ago. The problem(s) are control freak managers who are incapable of coaching their teams into taking charge at the local level, devs "who just want to code" and not think for themselves about the larger context of the work, and bullshit "life coaches" using Agile coaching as a way to "break into tech" with no tech skills.

This is fundamentally a crisis of incompetence, where people are failing to implement what at its roots is a better way of working, in certain contexts anyway, because they fear giving power and control to the rank and file.

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