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No More Storage Limits: M.2 Adapter for Apple's M1 MacBooks [video]
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Re: No More Storage Limits: M.2 Adapter for Apple's M1 MacBooks [video]
#12Ok, so you upgraded the storage, but most of these as well use soldered memory too, not to mention a _lot_ of these ship with _only_ base 8gb of ram. I imagine they'll run out of ram at some point, when apple will deprecate even m1-3 "low-end" 8gb macs to obscurity with the intel variants now that their low-end is 16gb. How much is too much to upgrade a system vs replacing it and paying more apple tax? Better ROI mak…
I agree with your sentiment and wanted to point out that for the RAM it's even worse than the storage. The RAM is not soldered on the board, its included in the package with the CPU, which makes upgrading the RAM effectively impossible for these machines.
No, the storage is worse, because there’s no reason why they couldn’t include a standard 2230 M.2 slot on all their motherboards, for anyone who wanted to upgrade.
The fixed RAM is annoying, but is done to make the product better — the packaging allows the RAM to be significantly faster than otherwise. It’s a major reason why the M-series CPU and GPU performs so well.
It’s the same reason why you don’t see slotted RAM on GPUs. The performance penalty would be great enough that nobody would buy them.
Re: No More Storage Limits: M.2 Adapter for Apple's M1 MacBooks [video]
#131) I really like that there's a lot more high technical skill videos coming out (I can link a few if others are interested and maybe we could grow a list?) 2) Apple makes a big stink about their carbon footprint and sustainability. It is on every product page. But Apple products are not very sustainable when you consider beyond materials. Remember it is "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle" (there's 3 arrows on the recycle symbol…
They don't want to "go green", they want to maximize profits, as any other corporation. They just need to have a good enough reputation to make sure environmentally-conscious people don't boycott their products. Anything more than that would have a negative effect on their bottom line, so you can be sure they're not going to do it.
Small companies like Framework and Fairphone proved that you can make very repairable and reusable laptops and phones without sacrificing much in the way of form factor (since this used to be the biggest excuse). I think it's safe to say big manufacturers won't follow suit unless forced by legislation.
Re: No More Storage Limits: M.2 Adapter for Apple's M1 MacBooks [video]
#14Ok, so you upgraded the storage, but most of these as well use soldered memory too, not to mention a _lot_ of these ship with _only_ base 8gb of ram. I imagine they'll run out of ram at some point, when apple will deprecate even m1-3 "low-end" 8gb macs to obscurity with the intel variants now that their low-end is 16gb. How much is too much to upgrade a system vs replacing it and paying more apple tax? Better ROI mak…
I agree with your sentiment and wanted to point out that for the RAM it's even worse than the storage. The RAM is not soldered on the board, its included in the package with the CPU, which makes upgrading the RAM effectively impossible for these machines.
Back in 2021 some guys in China claimed to have been able to upgrade the PoP RAM on a base M1 to 16GB: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/04/06/m1-mac-ram-and-ssd-upgr...
I remember when this came out, but more recently I recall finding something indicating that this was either untrue or pointless-- for example, while the ICs can be changed out, either the SoC or board knows what SKU it is due to an e-fuse or config locked into a cryptographically-signed firmware package, and refuses to address a different amount of RAM. I can't find that reference, however.
Re: No More Storage Limits: M.2 Adapter for Apple's M1 MacBooks [video]
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with your sentiment and wanted to point out that for the RAM it's even worse than the storage. The RAM is not soldered on the board, its included in the package with the CPU, which makes upgrading the RAM effectively impossible for these machines.
No, the storage is worse, because there’s no reason why they couldn’t include a standard 2230 M.2 slot on all their motherboards, for anyone who wanted to upgrade. The fixed RAM is annoying, but is done to make the product better — the packaging allows the RAM to be significantly faster than otherwise. It’s a major reason why the M-series CPU and GPU performs so well. It’s the same reason why you don’t see slotted RA…
Agree that it does make the product better, though if they put their RAM chips soldered on the board instead of in package, it would allow repair or upgrade without sacrificing the whole CPU unit.
GPUs do not put their RAM in the same package as the processor itself, and it does not sacrifice a significant amount of performance.
The M-series processors' primary benefit by a huge margin is its architecture that allows a higher memory bandwidth than say SODIMMs and that benefit is independent of the choice to put the RAM in the package.
Re: No More Storage Limits: M.2 Adapter for Apple's M1 MacBooks [video]
#161) I really like that there's a lot more high technical skill videos coming out (I can link a few if others are interested and maybe we could grow a list?) 2) Apple makes a big stink about their carbon footprint and sustainability. It is on every product page. But Apple products are not very sustainable when you consider beyond materials. Remember it is "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle" (there's 3 arrows on the recycle symbol…
They don't want to "go green", they want to maximize profits, as any other corporation. They just need to have a good enough reputation to make sure environmentally-conscious people don't boycott their products. Anything more than that would have a negative effect on their bottom line, so you can be sure they're not going to do it. Small companies like Framework and Fairphone proved that you can make very repairable…
> They just need to have a good enough reputation to make sure environmentally-conscious people don't boycott their products.
Change the tides and they follow. It isn't futile because as you said, they need enough reputation. They don't want the negative effect on their bottom line. So maybe instead of "correcting" me, push it too. They seem to benefit more from your comment than we do, despite you seeming to agree with the sentiment.
Re: No More Storage Limits: M.2 Adapter for Apple's M1 MacBooks [video]
#171) I really like that there's a lot more high technical skill videos coming out (I can link a few if others are interested and maybe we could grow a list?) 2) Apple makes a big stink about their carbon footprint and sustainability. It is on every product page. But Apple products are not very sustainable when you consider beyond materials. Remember it is "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle" (there's 3 arrows on the recycle symbol…
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Re: No More Storage Limits: M.2 Adapter for Apple's M1 MacBooks [video]
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with your sentiment and wanted to point out that for the RAM it's even worse than the storage. The RAM is not soldered on the board, its included in the package with the CPU, which makes upgrading the RAM effectively impossible for these machines.
No, the storage is worse, because there’s no reason why they couldn’t include a standard 2230 M.2 slot on all their motherboards, for anyone who wanted to upgrade. The fixed RAM is annoying, but is done to make the product better — the packaging allows the RAM to be significantly faster than otherwise. It’s a major reason why the M-series CPU and GPU performs so well. It’s the same reason why you don’t see slotted RA…
I think when they moved to the M series they had trouble providing enough PCIe lanes. Not that I ever really trust Apple to ever offer non-proprietary storage again, but moving the storage controller to the SoC probably avoids any PCIe support they'd have to think about.
Re: No More Storage Limits: M.2 Adapter for Apple's M1 MacBooks [video]
#191) I really like that there's a lot more high technical skill videos coming out (I can link a few if others are interested and maybe we could grow a list?) 2) Apple makes a big stink about their carbon footprint and sustainability. It is on every product page. But Apple products are not very sustainable when you consider beyond materials. Remember it is "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle" (there's 3 arrows on the recycle symbol…
They don't want to "go green", they want to maximize profits, as any other corporation. They just need to have a good enough reputation to make sure environmentally-conscious people don't boycott their products. Anything more than that would have a negative effect on their bottom line, so you can be sure they're not going to do it. Small companies like Framework and Fairphone proved that you can make very repairable…
Even Thinkpads can be customisable without form factor compromise.
Re: No More Storage Limits: M.2 Adapter for Apple's M1 MacBooks [video]
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, the storage is worse, because there’s no reason why they couldn’t include a standard 2230 M.2 slot on all their motherboards, for anyone who wanted to upgrade. The fixed RAM is annoying, but is done to make the product better — the packaging allows the RAM to be significantly faster than otherwise. It’s a major reason why the M-series CPU and GPU performs so well. It’s the same reason why you don’t see slotted RA…
I think when they moved to the M series they had trouble providing enough PCIe lanes. Not that I ever really trust Apple to ever offer non-proprietary storage again, but moving the storage controller to the SoC probably avoids any PCIe support they'd have to think about.
Communication from the in-SoC NAND controllers to the NAND chips themselves is done through PCIe AFAIK