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Supreme Court allows multibillion-dollar class action to proceed against Meta

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Re: Supreme Court allows multibillion-dollar class action to proceed against Meta

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Really funny how the US Court system becomes really interested in cases as soon as shareholders file a lawsuit. When people file a lawsuit, it is given due consideration because sending it down to the dumpster.

It's not funny, it's by design. Property owners and investors are usually given the most attention by courts because they matter more broadly speaking.

Another reason is that the harm can often be quantified and remedy easily justified.

Re: Supreme Court allows multibillion-dollar class action to proceed against Meta

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> Investors allege that Meta did not fully disclose the risks that Facebook users’ personal information would be misused by Cambridge Analytica... Anyone following this case and care to share their thoughts of how likely the plaintiffs are to prevail? Is the expectation that Meta will settle out of court?

"The only thing that the lower courts held [previously] is that Facebook can be liable if the statement, in context, was materially misleading. The investors, a bank and a public pension plan, are seeking compensation for the lost value of their stock.

My guess is that the justices will be frustrated by how little the issues on which the parties discuss in their briefs resemble the question they agreed to review. In an effort to offer something predictive about what we might see at the argument, I would point to two things. The first is a deep-seated skepticism of securities fraud litigation held by some of the justices, who tend to view litigation in this area as akin to extortion based on hindsight. The court has also issued a number of decisions in recent years in favor of corporate interests that have weakened federal regulators, including at the Securities and Exchange Commission.

On the other hand, it is a powerful benefit to the investors that the government filed a parallel suit against Facebook, contending that its disclosures about security breaches were insufficient; the government appears in full support of the investors and will share in their oral argument time. It similarly helps the investors that there is a forceful and direct friend-of-the-court brief signed by most of the most famous securities law scholars, arguing that the securities laws bar any kind of categorical exception for misleading statements made in forward-looking risk disclosures."

https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/11/securities-disclosure-ove...

Re: Supreme Court allows multibillion-dollar class action to proceed against Meta

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FB will settle out of court. Probably a third of what shareholders are asking. Lawyers get paid handsomely on both sides. Parent company has washed away the stink of Cambridge Analytica fallout (remember those bs “sorry” videos and newspaper ads? [1,2]). Shareholders get a pittance.

I’m a bit over this hyper-capitalistic market. When are C-level executives going to pay for their actions? Where is the jail time for these people?

This country is a joke.

[1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4zd7X98eOs

[2] https://mashable.com/article/facebook-newspaper-ad-apology

Re: Supreme Court allows multibillion-dollar class action to proceed against Meta

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>Investors allege that Meta did not fully disclose the risks that Facebook users’ personal information would be misused by Cambridge Analytica, a firm that supported Donald Trump ’s first successful Republican presidential campaign in 2016.

The wording here is confusing. They did not disclose that ... someone else who got the info would do something bad?

Re: Supreme Court allows multibillion-dollar class action to proceed against Meta

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I think I understand the CA scandal well, but how could it be reasonably expected for Facebook to give investors adequate notice that a third party could misuse their targeted ads feature (to my knowledge CA did not hack FB, they simply used targeted ads)?

It's as if expecting recently IPO'd Beyond Meat to disclose to investors the possibility that someone might choke on a meatball they make with the meat...

Re: Supreme Court allows multibillion-dollar class action to proceed against Meta

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Really funny how the US Court system becomes really interested in cases as soon as shareholders file a lawsuit. When people file a lawsuit, it is given due consideration because sending it down to the dumpster.

> When people file a lawsuit, it is given due consideration because sending it down to the dumpster Broadly speaking, our post-War system of laws puts consumers at the top. Right below them, investors. Way below them, workers. If you engage the legal and regulatory system properly as a consumer, you can move mountains. Even without a lawyer. As an investor, you typically need a lawyer, but with that hurdle met you're…

> Broadly speaking, our post-War system of laws puts consumers at the top.

This is a cool thing to believe, your stories about this must be fascinating.

What have been the differences between your personal experiences engaging in the regulatory system in the United States as a consumer versus the times you’ve engaged with the regulatory system in the US as an investor?

Re: Supreme Court allows multibillion-dollar class action to proceed against Meta

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post #13

FB will settle out of court. Probably a third of what shareholders are asking. Lawyers get paid handsomely on both sides. Parent company has washed away the stink of Cambridge Analytica fallout (remember those bs “sorry” videos and newspaper ads? [1,2]). Shareholders get a pittance. I’m a bit over this hyper-capitalistic market. When are C-level executives going to pay for their actions? Where is the jail time for th…

Remember all those years ago? Too big to fail, too big to jail. If you or I did the same things we'd be in jail.

Re: Supreme Court allows multibillion-dollar class action to proceed against Meta

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not funny, it's by design. Property owners and investors are usually given the most attention by courts because they matter more broadly speaking.

Another reason is that the harm can often be quantified and remedy easily justified.

Matt Levine recently covered how it's much more lucrative/easy to sue Chipotle for skimping out on their portions from the investor/security fraud angle than it is the customer angle [1]

Unfortunate how that's just how the system works.

[1] https://archive.ph/mhEQA

Re: Supreme Court allows multibillion-dollar class action to proceed against Meta

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Really funny how the US Court system becomes really interested in cases as soon as shareholders file a lawsuit. When people file a lawsuit, it is given due consideration because sending it down to the dumpster.

As I see this: the US is built on money. Money is the most valued thing. So if someone hurts your basic need of shelter food or water no one cares. If someone makes you lose money or makes your investment go bad the court will intervene. Although it might sound awful I don't think it is necessarily that way. I just wish it could be more balanced.

But then again, I'm a foreigner, I know nothing about the US.

Re: Supreme Court allows multibillion-dollar class action to proceed against Meta

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post #14

>Investors allege that Meta did not fully disclose the risks that Facebook users’ personal information would be misused by Cambridge Analytica, a firm that supported Donald Trump ’s first successful Republican presidential campaign in 2016. The wording here is confusing. They did not disclose that ... someone else who got the info would do something bad?

The short version, as I understand it, is that Facebook said a leak "may" occur, but did not say a leak "would" occur, and investors interpreted that to mean would not occur. It seems really thin, but everything is securities fraud now.
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