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DOJ filed paperwork to US District Court to force Google to spin off Chrome [pdf]

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Re: DOJ filed paperwork to US District Court to force Google to spin off Chrome [pdf]

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Trump is a lame duck. Donating to his campaign is useless. They have one path for political redemption, and it’s to acquire Trump annd his allies’ companies and/or invest in their funds.

How is he a lame duck?

Technically he can't run again so he doesn't need any money for his own campaign. However, he might reward donations to his friends in the MAGA Cinematic Universe.

Re: DOJ filed paperwork to US District Court to force Google to spin off Chrome [pdf]

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As usual DOJ is late to the party. Google is already facing competition and as it falters, the doj will use this as 'evidence' it was effective.

The way you write this implies that it is somehow an intrinsic fault of the DoJ and not the fault of monopolists like Google with the massive resources to slow walk these kinds of things, or the effective lobbying of the Obama administration followed by four chaotic years of Trump.

Never forget that corruption is always to blame for these failures, not the noble people who try and fix these things with flawed institutions.

Re: DOJ filed paperwork to US District Court to force Google to spin off Chrome [pdf]

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They need to pay their tithe/donation to the administration first.

Trump is a lame duck. Donating to his campaign is useless. They have one path for political redemption, and it’s to acquire Trump annd his allies’ companies and/or invest in their funds.

I wonder if a big enough ad spend at X would be enough.

Re: DOJ filed paperwork to US District Court to force Google to spin off Chrome [pdf]

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is he a lame duck?

Technically he can't run again so he doesn't need any money for his own campaign. However, he might reward donations to his friends in the MAGA Cinematic Universe.

I’m sure the constitution will be changed to allow Trump to remain President, one way or the other way.

Re: DOJ filed paperwork to US District Court to force Google to spin off Chrome [pdf]

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This has already been discussed extensively in prior threads, but the biggest question is, how does a spun-off Chrome get funded?

Chrome/Firefox/Safari all cost hundreds of millions of dollars a year to maintain. Currently, Safari and Firefox both make essentially all their revenue through default search agreements. Chrome, Edge, and now Brave are produced by companies that also own the search engines, so they're essentially a loss-generating product, that exist because they cancel out distribution costs that Google and Microsoft would otherwise have to pay other browsers.

But the DOJ order is also asking to ban payments between search engines and browser makers: > As detailed in Section IV, the PFJ prohibits Google from providing third parties something of value (including financial payments) in order to make Google the default general search engine or otherwise discouraging those third parties from offering competing search products

With that revenue gone, the only real options to fund a browser are:

* Directly charge users for it. This is effectively a non-starter, because the vast majority of people aren't willing to pay for it.

* Insert ads or sell user data - users also hate this, it's probably not legal in the EU, and it may not be legal in most of the US in the future either.

* Use the browser as a platform to push some product that does make money - a non-Google search engine? A social network? An LLM interface?

Alternatively, a narrow reading of the proposed order is that this only applies to Google. In that case, perhaps Bing or OpenAI takes over all the distribution agreements and becomes the top search engine. Whether that's better for consumers seems fairly questionable.

Re: DOJ filed paperwork to US District Court to force Google to spin off Chrome [pdf]

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically he can't run again so he doesn't need any money for his own campaign. However, he might reward donations to his friends in the MAGA Cinematic Universe.

I’m sure the constitution will be changed to allow Trump to remain President, one way or the other way.

Almost certainly not. If he runs it will be by ignoring the Constitution, and at that point we’re legitimately in civil war territory.

Re: DOJ filed paperwork to US District Court to force Google to spin off Chrome [pdf]

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This has already been discussed extensively in prior threads, but the biggest question is, how does a spun-off Chrome get funded? Chrome/Firefox/Safari all cost hundreds of millions of dollars a year to maintain. Currently, Safari and Firefox both make essentially all their revenue through default search agreements. Chrome, Edge, and now Brave are produced by companies that also own the search engines, so they're ess…

Display ad insertion would be legal and there are definitely ways to do it all client side.
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