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Re: Microsoft employees are doubtful of AI's capabilities and company's AI bet

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Post by high_na_euv » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 12:29 PM UTC

Cumpiler69 wrote: post #10

high_na_euv wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Data

So then why doesn't this argument apply to AI? Why do people think AI is gonna be worthless?

WhatsApp is data generator

AI feels more like data utilizer

Sure, you can save the queries, but it aint much

Re: Microsoft employees are doubtful of AI's capabilities and company's AI bet

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Post by Cumpiler69 » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 1:11 PM UTC

high_na_euv wrote: post #11

Cumpiler69 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So then why doesn't this argument apply to AI? Why do people think AI is gonna be worthless?

WhatsApp is data generator AI feels more like data utilizer Sure, you can save the queries, but it aint much

Consumers are drawn into your service by convenience. They'd much rather get their answer via a quick AI chat than swifitng through pages of your data. Yeah, data is valuable, but if consumers have no easy way to get what they want from it, it becomes useless.

Re: Microsoft employees are doubtful of AI's capabilities and company's AI bet

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Post by salted_coffee » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 1:49 PM UTC

I have had a theory for a loooong time that Ai is causing a massive stock bubble, especially in the tech space. Microsoft finally realising how much of an oopsie they made with ai could cause a domino effect.

Re: Microsoft employees are doubtful of AI's capabilities and company's AI bet

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Post by salted_coffee » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 1:50 PM UTC

Cumpiler69 wrote: post #8

bfrog wrote: post #3

Aren’t we all skeptical? What’s the real value exactly.

>Aren’t we all skeptical? What’s the real value exactly. What's the value in the 7 billion Meta paid for WhatsApp?

A lot of people use WhattsApp, especially outside the us. it is easily the greatest competitor to instagram in international markets.

Re: Microsoft employees are doubtful of AI's capabilities and company's AI bet

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Post by Ekaros » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 1:52 PM UTC

salted_coffee wrote: post #13

I have had a theory for a loooong time that Ai is causing a massive stock bubble, especially in the tech space. Microsoft finally realising how much of an oopsie they made with ai could cause a domino effect.

I actual doubt it as a cause, more so justification on wanting to valuation just keep growing to infinity. If not for AI it would be something else. With Nvidia it is cause, but with rest I think it is just general tendency of market wanting to see line going up with any excuse.

Re: Microsoft employees are doubtful of AI's capabilities and company's AI bet

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Post by high_na_euv » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 2:34 PM UTC

Cumpiler69 wrote: post #12

high_na_euv wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WhatsApp is data generator AI feels more like data utilizer Sure, you can save the queries, but it aint much

Consumers are drawn into your service by convenience. They'd much rather get their answer via a quick AI chat than swifitng through pages of your data. Yeah, data is valuable, but if consumers have no easy way to get what they want from it, it becomes useless.

You answered your own question

WhatsApp and AI Chats are different products.

Re: Microsoft employees are doubtful of AI's capabilities and company's AI bet

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Post by Cumpiler69 » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 2:45 PM UTC

high_na_euv wrote: post #16

Cumpiler69 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consumers are drawn into your service by convenience. They'd much rather get their answer via a quick AI chat than swifitng through pages of your data. Yeah, data is valuable, but if consumers have no easy way to get what they want from it, it becomes useless.

You answered your own question WhatsApp and AI Chats are different products.

No d'uh they're different products. I asked why people would think one is valuable and the other not?

Re: Microsoft employees are doubtful of AI's capabilities and company's AI bet

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Post by cainxinth » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 2:46 PM UTC

Cumpiler69 wrote: post #8

bfrog wrote: post #3

Aren’t we all skeptical? What’s the real value exactly.

>Aren’t we all skeptical? What’s the real value exactly. What's the value in the 7 billion Meta paid for WhatsApp?

Nitpick, but Facebook (Meta wasn’t a thing yet) paid $19b for WhatsApp.

Re: Microsoft employees are doubtful of AI's capabilities and company's AI bet

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Post by high_na_euv » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 2:56 PM UTC

Cumpiler69 wrote: post #17

high_na_euv wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You answered your own question WhatsApp and AI Chats are different products.

No d'uh they're different products. I asked why people would think one is valuable and the other not?

There can be many reasons

e.g WhatsApp is way, way more reliable than LLMs

Re: Microsoft employees are doubtful of AI's capabilities and company's AI bet

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Post by mgh2 » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 3:16 PM UTC

Cumpiler69 wrote: post #12

high_na_euv wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WhatsApp is data generator AI feels more like data utilizer Sure, you can save the queries, but it aint much

Consumers are drawn into your service by convenience. They'd much rather get their answer via a quick AI chat than swifitng through pages of your data. Yeah, data is valuable, but if consumers have no easy way to get what they want from it, it becomes useless.

WhatsApp when bought already had traction, Copilot seems forced