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Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by SiempreViernes »

myworkinisgood wrote: post #6
pavel_lishin wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, I'd rather see cables get cut than watch shells get lobbed between world powers.

at these points, these cable cuts are more dangerous than actual bombs

I'd prefer if the devs added resilience to network outage over having navies fight each other...

Especially as navies are just fundamentally not constructed to defend extended things like a cable: starting a war over them is the best way to ensure every cable is cut.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by matthewdgreen »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #8
myworkinisgood wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

at these points, these cable cuts are more dangerous than actual bombs

I'm not convinced that cutting an internet cable - even a vital one - results in more actual death and human misery than actual bombs falling on urban centers.

There is a point where this kind of aggression, left unchecked, may ultimately lead to actual bombs falling on urban centers. It's already happening in the Ukraine. The global peace we all enjoy in the West is based on the idea that the price of aggression is higher than the benefits.

Also: Internet cables today, essential power distribution cables tomorrow. Infrastructure is fragile, and human lives will eventually be at stake.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by SiempreViernes »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #10
pavel_lishin wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not convinced that cutting an internet cable - even a vital one - results in more actual death and human misery than actual bombs falling on urban centers.

There is a point where this kind of aggression, left unchecked, may ultimately lead to actual bombs falling on urban centers. It's already happening in Ukraine. The global peace we all enjoy in the West is based on the idea that the price of aggression is higher than the benefits.

"this kind", "left unchecked", "may ultimately"; that's three levels of maybes used to defend a definitive "are more dangerous" claim, not exactly inspiring rigour.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by pavel_lishin »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #12
pavel_lishin wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not convinced that cutting an internet cable - even a vital one - results in more actual death and human misery than actual bombs falling on urban centers.

There is a point where this kind of aggression, left unchecked, may ultimately lead to actual bombs falling on urban centers. It's already happening in the Ukraine. The global peace we all enjoy in the West is based on the idea that the price of aggression is higher than the benefits. Also: Internet cables today, essential power distribution cables tomorrow. Infrastructure is fragile, and human lives will eventually…

I mean, you're not wrong. And in general, this is ... high-stakes bullying. And if you let them get away with this, I agree that they'll keep pushing the boundary, even more than they already have;

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by mikeyouse »

bell-cot wrote: post #2

It'd be nice to see stories about a western navy or two getting off its butt, and actually trying to discourage "accidents" which damage critical infrastructure.

Alas, some would rather let criminal governments invade sovereign countries, commit acts of global sabotage and murder dissidents all over the world rather than take any action at all to dissuade them. Peace through appeasement is likely to work as well as it has at any other point in history.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by whythre »

toss1 wrote: post #5

Substantial Russian activity also near UK, raises concerns that Russia would cut off UK. [0] Russian ships ‘plotting sabotage in the North Sea’ [1] [0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-undersea-... [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ships...

Do these nations not have navies? Can’t they tell the Russian non-combat ships (or pressure them) to get lost?
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