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I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

#11

I hope AI stuff makes captchas completely obsolete soon. I am sick of them. The cure is worse than the disease.

AI stuff is why CAPTCHAs exist. It's also why they've gotten so much worse the last few years.

CAPTCHAs are going to get much worse before they're replaced by account paywalls or remote hardware attestation.

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

#14
Some captchas are getting pretty discriminatory, not everyone lives in the West and can identify the objects they are asking you to. Another recent one sticks out where they asked me to pick a shape as the same number of conoids on screen. If you ask people on a street what a conoids I bet a significant amount will give you blank looks

Also at least now I know some people call those markings crosswalks

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

#15

Some captchas are getting pretty discriminatory, not everyone lives in the West and can identify the objects they are asking you to. Another recent one sticks out where they asked me to pick a shape as the same number of conoids on screen. If you ask people on a street what a conoids I bet a significant amount will give you blank looks Also at least now I know some people call those markings crosswalks

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Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

#16

I hope AI stuff makes captchas completely obsolete soon. I am sick of them. The cure is worse than the disease.

But surely, it's only going to get worse: it will force the de-anonymization of the internet. You already have to provide a phone number for many services.

If websites can't trust that their users are authentic they will probably institute even more intrusive checks.

I haven't been optimistic about the future of technology for a while now. :'(

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

#17
Lesson 1 about competing with Google should be "don't be even more disrespectful to your users than Google is". Otherwise people will just use Google.

Relying on the goodwill of a small number of "never-Googlers" to carry your business, in spite of the way you do business, is not a path to success.

While hCaptcha trashes its reputation, the rest of the world will go on using reCaptcha and not giving the faintest whiff of a fart about hCaptcha's existence.

(Side note: the spelling is "intentional", not "intensional". Think "intent" + "-tion" + "-al", not "in-" + "tension" + "-al").

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

#18
post #10

The title kind of makes it appear far less of a problem than it actually is, because according to the article, hCaptcha made multiple rude and evidence-free accusations of lying despite the author actually being blind.

Remember that from hCaptcha's point of view, by this point they've probably dealt with hundreds of other people claiming that they are blind when they really aren't, so their bots will work. This isn't a defense, just an explanation... but it is also an explanation of why the entire idea of "we'll not give blind people a way past the CAPTCHA but just give a pass to 'real' blind people so we can pass ADA", which is th…

> If you had a system for completely accurately identifying characteristics like "who is blind" in the presence of extremely hostile attacks on the system, you'd have something far more valuable than the CAPTCHA system itself!

You are unfortunately describing worldcoin.

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

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post #10

The title kind of makes it appear far less of a problem than it actually is, because according to the article, hCaptcha made multiple rude and evidence-free accusations of lying despite the author actually being blind.

Remember that from hCaptcha's point of view, by this point they've probably dealt with hundreds of other people claiming that they are blind when they really aren't, so their bots will work. This isn't a defense, just an explanation... but it is also an explanation of why the entire idea of "we'll not give blind people a way past the CAPTCHA but just give a pass to 'real' blind people so we can pass ADA", which is th…

> something far more valuable than the CAPTCHA system itsel

In terms of CAPTCHAs being valuable – the other day I couldn’t for the life of me solve a captcha. It was one of those “Solve the implicit question in the picture” kind where it can be hard to tell what it’s even asking you to do.

So I took a screenshot and put it in chatgpt. Got it right immediately.

The real detection mechanism is that you’re moving your mouse, thinking, and generally being slower than a bot anyway. The captcha itself is just a pointless annoyance.

Re: I was banned from the hCaptcha accessibility account for not being blind (2023)

#20
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder whether talking about "looking at the javascript console" somehow made them think that this person cannot possibly be blind, since how could a blind person "see" the JavaScript console? (But "having my screen reader read the content of the JavaScript console to me" is a bit of a mouthful.)

You know, that's a good point, and it hadn't occurred to me. For the overwhelming majority of blind people, language like "looked at" is just metaphorical. I mean, all language is symbolic anyway. The map is not the territory and the menu is not the dinner. Some of us are taught very young to use common terms like look in that kind of a metaphorical way. Partially so that we fit in and are comfortable with the rest o…

Even as a sighted person, "look at" is often metamorphic - you can interview an expert over the phone and say you looked into the subject even though the only looking was around the phone number.
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