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Buddhist Retreat: Why I gave up on finding my religion (2003)

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This article gave me some great laughs. It's clear that the author only studied Buddhism for four years (a very short period of time) and has some very fundamental misunderstandings of Buddhist teachings. For example, this explanation of karma: > Together, these tenets imply the existence of some cosmic judge who, like Santa Claus, tallies up our naughtiness and niceness before rewarding us with rebirth as a cockroac…

> It's clear that the author only studied Buddhism for four years (a very short period of time) This kind of response always sounds like victim-blaming to me. If your system of is so complicated that someone can't even hope to get the basics right in four years of study, maybe the right thing to do is, in fact, to ditch it.

belief systems can take years to fully adopt, since they attempt to rewire your way of thinking about the world. it's easier for the ones that dangle clear rewards and punishments, though some might call them shallow. for the ones more focused on inner retrospection, there's no obvious short term reward they can offer.

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There are many flavors of buddhism. I am partial towards the Thai Forest tradition because it emphasizes practice and experience over dogma and so avoids metaphysical discussions. > But what troubles me most about Buddhism is its implication that detachment from ordinary life is the surest route to salvation. The response from the Thai Forest would be to engage in your life skillfully while paying attention to what c…

How is that different from stoicism ? Asking genuinely.

Well, it's not yet monetized by YouTube hustle bros, for one thing. :D

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There are many flavors of buddhism. I am partial towards the Thai Forest tradition because it emphasizes practice and experience over dogma and so avoids metaphysical discussions. > But what troubles me most about Buddhism is its implication that detachment from ordinary life is the surest route to salvation. The response from the Thai Forest would be to engage in your life skillfully while paying attention to what c…

How is that different from stoicism ? Asking genuinely.

The emphasis on meditation practice with specific techniques.

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There are many flavors of buddhism. I am partial towards the Thai Forest tradition because it emphasizes practice and experience over dogma and so avoids metaphysical discussions. > But what troubles me most about Buddhism is its implication that detachment from ordinary life is the surest route to salvation. The response from the Thai Forest would be to engage in your life skillfully while paying attention to what c…

> But what troubles me most about Buddhism is its implication that detachment from ordinary life is the surest route to salvation.

Perhaps the author just haven't heard of Madhyamapratipada, that insignificant bit in Buddah's first sermon ever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Way

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This article gave me some great laughs. It's clear that the author only studied Buddhism for four years (a very short period of time) and has some very fundamental misunderstandings of Buddhist teachings. For example, this explanation of karma: > Together, these tenets imply the existence of some cosmic judge who, like Santa Claus, tallies up our naughtiness and niceness before rewarding us with rebirth as a cockroac…

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If there is one really weak point in this article, it would be his dismissal of no-self in favor of "emergent phenomenon", which as far as I can tell is indistinguishable from "codependent origination" (seriously - try to name the difference). And codepedent origination is the traditional background to no-self, a phrase you've heard many times if you're at all familiar with those teachings.

So to say "this teaching isn't true, but the traditional contextual background to this teaching (under another name) is" makes you wonder if he really understands the concepts involved at the necessary depth.

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I’m not making any comment about Buddhism, but the fact that something is ‘2,500 years old’ doesn’t seem to have much bearing on its validity.

There’s plenty of misguided rubbish that’s been knocking around for millennia — I would imagine Buddhism has other selling points.

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There are many flavors of buddhism. I am partial towards the Thai Forest tradition because it emphasizes practice and experience over dogma and so avoids metaphysical discussions. > But what troubles me most about Buddhism is its implication that detachment from ordinary life is the surest route to salvation. The response from the Thai Forest would be to engage in your life skillfully while paying attention to what c…

> it emphasizes practice and experience over dogma

soto-zen emphasises something like this too.

the tl;dr in my very limited and general understanding seems to be — keep sitting zazen, try to not be an arsehole, you’ll work it out eventually.

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