Clifton Suspension Bridge Leaves X • Hacker News Board

Re: Clifton Suspension Bridge Leaves X

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Post by DemocracyFTW2 » Thu, Nov 14, 2024, 6:22 PM UTC

s1artibartfast wrote: post #9

DemocracyFTW2 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I guess it depends on where you draw the line. Let's say there was a fair number of openly or covertly aggressive takes among the not too many (dozens) comments that I scrolled over

I'd agree to that. People get stirred up and angry about the Twitter topic. You just see the other side on Reddit or hacker News. When I think of hate speech, I think of unveiled threats of death of violence. In the US at least, the definition usually requires a racial or minority component.

> threats of death o[r] violence

OK my threshold for that word is sort of lower. Like the other day I watched Rachel Maddow on Youtube commenting on the election, and the comments were full of misogynist, well, 'sneers', let's call them that. No "I will punch you" or worse, but an aggressive, menacing, demeaning, sexist, supremacist tone. To me that already is hate speech, because it is speech that expresses hate and is intended to rile up other people so they chime in and express hate, too.

It's ice cream in the sense that frozen yogurt is ice cream, maybe except for the law.

Re: Clifton Suspension Bridge Leaves X

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Post by changing1999 » Thu, Nov 14, 2024, 7:22 PM UTC

DemocracyFTW2 wrote: post #11

s1artibartfast wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd agree to that. People get stirred up and angry about the Twitter topic. You just see the other side on Reddit or hacker News. When I think of hate speech, I think of unveiled threats of death of violence. In the US at least, the definition usually requires a racial or minority component.

> threats of death o[r] violence OK my threshold for that word is sort of lower. Like the other day I watched Rachel Maddow on Youtube commenting on the election, and the comments were full of misogynist, well, 'sneers', let's call them that. No "I will punch you" or worse, but an aggressive, menacing, demeaning, sexist, supremacist tone. To me that already is hate speech, because it is speech that expresses hate and…

The problem with codifying hate speech (and, eventually, punishing for it) is that even today the existing definitions are extremely broad and subjective. UN's own definition includes the use of pejorative language, i.e. "disrespectful connotation, a low opinion, or a lack of respect" towards something. This is clearly illiberal, anti free-speech, and extremely dangerous (society-ending dangerous).

Re: Clifton Suspension Bridge Leaves X

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Post by rsynnott » Thu, Nov 14, 2024, 11:55 PM UTC

DemocracyFTW2 wrote: post #5

The remarkable thing is really how much hate speech this announcement triggered on X

I deleted my Twitter account a while back, so can’t see the replies. I am now imagining people engaging in claims that suspension bridges secretly control all the banks, etc.

Re: Clifton Suspension Bridge Leaves X

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Post by mensetmanusman » Fri, Nov 15, 2024, 1:47 AM UTC

DemocracyFTW2 wrote: post #11

s1artibartfast wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd agree to that. People get stirred up and angry about the Twitter topic. You just see the other side on Reddit or hacker News. When I think of hate speech, I think of unveiled threats of death of violence. In the US at least, the definition usually requires a racial or minority component.

> threats of death o[r] violence OK my threshold for that word is sort of lower. Like the other day I watched Rachel Maddow on Youtube commenting on the election, and the comments were full of misogynist, well, 'sneers', let's call them that. No "I will punch you" or worse, but an aggressive, menacing, demeaning, sexist, supremacist tone. To me that already is hate speech, because it is speech that expresses hate and…

It’s advisable to use the clear legal threshold, lest we go the route of diluting all language. Trump was hitler without murdering millions and that probably washes some of the crimes away.