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Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Is everyone ignoring the fact that companies do this to make themselves look bigger than they are compared to the competition and/or to pretend economic success?

That's a really good point. It's public data, so it's also a way for investors to gage success.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Some IT service corporations that are known for a very high employee churn rates often post the same position a dozen times, for each of their office locations.

Sometimes it's a 100% remote job, and they still post it multiple times with different locations.

They probably litter job portals this way so that they can compensate for the frequent personell changes. They are impossible to miss.

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post #11
post #8

Is everyone ignoring the fact that companies do this to make themselves look bigger than they are compared to the competition and/or to pretend economic success?

That's a really good point. It's public data, so it's also a way for investors to gage success.

And growth.

It’s a pretty bad signal if your series B startup isn’t hiring actively all the time.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job

The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So while I will deny their green card application and not submit it, I also won’t hire the interviewee

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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What’s the difference between a ghost job and opportunistic hiring? I’ve never seen any team I work for put out a job posting with no intention of hiring and I’ve certainly never participated in interviewing a candidate where there is no intention to hire. However, I have seen my team put out a job posting where we only intend to hire if we get an applicant that is unexpectedly good.

Your team doesn’t post the ghost job, the HR or talent team does. There’s a variety of reasons why they do it.

Low quality postings are often just there for compliance purposes to justify visas. Less ethical companies may casually mention to outside HR people that folks are applying.

It happens all of the time.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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post #8

Is everyone ignoring the fact that companies do this to make themselves look bigger than they are compared to the competition and/or to pretend economic success?

Sure, also HR needs to do this to look busy. They will sell management on doing this instead of being downsized themselves.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

#17
A question I've had on my mind for a while now, watching this progression of fake or poisoned jobs, and miles of automatic systems to navigate:

At what point do people consider the well poisoned? Where they just check out and stop applying, to specific companies or in general, because its very very obvious that there isnt actually a valid hiring market at all.

I ask this question, because I've already passed this threshold, and have instead devoted the maximum of my time to personal ventures.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

#18

What’s the difference between a ghost job and opportunistic hiring? I’ve never seen any team I work for put out a job posting with no intention of hiring and I’ve certainly never participated in interviewing a candidate where there is no intention to hire. However, I have seen my team put out a job posting where we only intend to hire if we get an applicant that is unexpectedly good.

Right. It is all about the team's level of selectiveness at that moment, which does ebb and flow over time.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

#19
On the hiring side of this, we receive a _ton_ of resumes that have no experience in the technologies we're hiring for. Each day there are 5-10 automated resume submissions to our job portal for a single position, and we're a fairly small company. Perhaps hiring managers are both being (more) selective and becoming overloaded with the amount of AI/recruiter-sanitized resumes coming in as well.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

#20
post #8

Is everyone ignoring the fact that companies do this to make themselves look bigger than they are compared to the competition and/or to pretend economic success?

It's certain abused for below-the-line marketing, such as for appearing bigger than they are, but also to make them look more competent by adding ridiculous requirements such as fluency in at least five different languages.
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